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Re: I'm not one to give an ultimatum (Well, maybe I am), but... by Entropy Stew 04/06/2003, 8:05pm PDT
Bill Dungsroman wrote:

This has got to stop.


YES

It's probably impossible, given that it's his server and such, but Senor Barborito shouldn't be an admin to caltrops, at least not right now. This is not meant in offense to, nor is it an attack on, SB. You just can't do it, man.

UPDATE

On further consideration, maybe demanding that SB step down as admin was too harsh. I don't know. If the site really needs two admins, there obviously isn't anyone else who can do it except the two guys who already are. But this type of shit is going to go on and on forever, and I guess that's just going be part of the character of this site, whether anyone likes it or not. I guess I'll just learn (or re-learn) to like it as well.


Yes, it needs 2. I can't admin, moderate, code, and participate in the entire site. I barely even have time to code. We're both willing to shut up about admin tasks, but we're not sure exactly how we should go about it. You see, we wanted this to be sort of a direct democracy. It seems you do to. Not talking about anything sort of defeats this. Also, just what exactly shouldn't I talk about? If I ban somebody, should I not tell anyone? Should I let people who are wondering where that person is stay in the dark? Should I not announce forum upgrades? Should I not ask for suggestions on what to code next? What the hell should and shouldn't I talk about? I sure as hell don't know.

What I do know is that caltrops is apparently not close enough to being sufficiently secure to thwart would-be trolls. ES, I thought you said the shields were up? Now I keep seeing all these exceptions to that status.


One exception: spamming.

WTF? Maybe SB should lay off the admin work and concentrate on securing this place. Again, I'm not in the know about that sort of thing. But something has to be done here.


This is a code problem requiring a code solution. SB isn't a php programmer.

Incoming admin explanation, avert your eyes!
The shields are primarily for scrubbing post content of html that can either do malicious things to your browser (script, applet, object, etc) or break out of the table and shit all over the page. This filter is the largest module in the code, I'd estimate, by a factor of 10. The anti-spam code, to contrast, is literally a few lines implementing a posting timer (you have to wait 15 seconds between posting, currently). This puts the board on par with most implementations in spam, and at the top tier in terms of allowing flexible use of html in posts (when I get the css filter in place, it will be better than anything currently existing, I think). There's not really much you can do to combat board spam apart from ip-banning and having a post timeout, and the former isn't even possible on AOL users due to their retarded proxying scheme. This is a difficult problem, with no completely adequate solution. It's further exacerbated by our not needing a forum login.

Is everyone here incapable of acting like adults? Can we ever get our shit together? This isn't fucking funny anymore, it's fucking gay. I have some suggestions:

1. A self-imposed restriction of SB posting as an admin. ES is the only mouthpiece for the site. This will no doubt fail, which is why SB shouldn't be an admin.
2. Navel-gazing discussions and repetitive arguments over this site's function should be eliminated, at least the ones pertaining to enforcement of our rules, the rules every other above-board website has.
3. The rules need to be posted CONSPICUOUSLY.
4. If we are going to continue as a user-submitted review site, a conspicuous declaration that clearly states that a writer's submitted works, when submitted and posted by caltrops, become the sole property of caltrops and may be put or taken down at our behest. If this isn't legally possible, then a user-submited site is a stupid fucking idea in the first place.
5. Fix our forum titles so they make some fucking sense. Har har, Operation:Hammer Time. How about we keep TEH FUNAY in our content and inside the forums where they belong?

The ultimatum? Change, or I'm going too. You can keep my stuff if you want, but I can't stomach coming here and reading a billion posts about ourselves every fucking day. You can make a Next Tuesday joke if you want, but I got that new promotion that I babbled about, and I don't have the time to commit to this place as much as I did anyway. It's not that I don't want to, but we need to make some serious fucking changes here, because the state of the site as it is is seriously fucking disappointing.


1. Already discussed above
2. Hell yes re: rules. As for other site ops, ?
3. In fact, this has already been discussed - Please note the thread where SB posted them, and the fact that I will be adding a link to them from the forums.
4. Yes
5. I'm with the people who like them as-is (oddly enough). The few new people that came in to complement or call us gay seem to have found their way around well enough.
6. Ultimatums are the sort of gay melodramatic devices we're trying to cut down on (LOOK AT THE FIRST LINE OF YOUR POST). You're respected enough around here to not have to resort to this sort of bullshit, which is why I'm still not 100% convinced I'm replying to BDR.

-/ES/-
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I'm not one to give an ultimatum (Well, maybe I am), but... by Bill Dungsroman 04/05/2003, 9:12pm PST NEW
    Re: I'm not one to give an ultimatum (Well, maybe I am), but... by I need clarification 04/05/2003, 9:17pm PST NEW
    Almost positive this isn't BDR by Senor Barborito 04/05/2003, 9:31pm PST NEW
        zuh? by ydrt 04/05/2003, 9:37pm PST NEW
            Re: zuh? by Entropy Stew 04/05/2003, 10:09pm PST NEW
        It's me. by Bill Dungsroman 04/05/2003, 10:16pm PST NEW
            There's no email in my inbox yet by Senor Barborito 04/05/2003, 10:22pm PST NEW
                Re: There's no email in my inbox yet by Jhoh Creexul 04/05/2003, 10:32pm PST NEW
                    Re: There's no email in my inbox yet by veronica 04/05/2003, 10:36pm PST NEW
                        Re: There's no email in my inbox yet by Jhoh Creexul 04/05/2003, 11:04pm PST NEW
                        PS:!!!!!!! by Jhoh Creexul 04/05/2003, 11:07pm PST NEW
                            Re: PS:!!!!!!! by veronica 04/05/2003, 11:14pm PST NEW
                                Re: PS:!!!!!!! by Jhoh Creexul 04/05/2003, 11:23pm PST NEW
                                    And by the way. by Jhoh Creexul 04/05/2003, 11:26pm PST NEW
                                    Re: PS:!!!!!!! by veronica 04/05/2003, 11:28pm PST NEW
                                        Re: PS:!!!!!!! by Jhoh Creexul 04/05/2003, 11:45pm PST NEW
                                    For the record, no I'm not convinced by Senor Barborito 04/05/2003, 11:32pm PST NEW
                                        Re: For the record, no I'm not convinced by Jhoh Creexul 04/05/2003, 11:47pm PST NEW
                                        Re: For the record, no I'm not convinced by foogla 04/06/2003, 6:12am PDT NEW
                                        Re: For the record, no I'm not convinced by Bill Dungsroman 04/06/2003, 4:24pm PDT NEW
                                            The answer you seek was delivered to you by I need clarification 04/06/2003, 4:39pm PDT NEW
                                            Re: For the record, no I'm not convinced by Ice Cream Jonsey 04/06/2003, 4:58pm PDT NEW
                                            Mom, Dad, I hate it when you fight! by Fullofkittens 04/06/2003, 5:37pm PDT NEW
                                                Actually... by Bill Dungsroman 04/06/2003, 6:09pm PDT NEW
                                                    Re: Actually... by ydrt 04/06/2003, 6:27pm PDT NEW
                                                Re: Mom, Dad, I hate it when you fight! by FABIO 04/06/2003, 6:30pm PDT NEW
                                                    Re: Mom, Dad, I hate it when you fight! by Fullofkittens 04/06/2003, 6:38pm PDT NEW
                                                        Re: Mom, Dad, I hate it when you fight! by FABIO 04/06/2003, 7:23pm PDT NEW
                                                            'anything' should be 'anyone' NT by FABIO 04/06/2003, 7:23pm PDT NEW
                                                            Forum titles cont'd. (sigh) by Fullofkittens 04/06/2003, 7:37pm PDT NEW
                                                                Re: Forum titles cont'd. (sigh) by foogla 04/06/2003, 7:50pm PDT NEW
                                                                    Re: Forum titles cont'd. (sigh) by Mysterio 04/07/2003, 12:35am PDT NEW
                                                                Re: Forum titles cont'd. (sigh) by FOF 04/07/2003, 12:24am PDT NEW
                                                    Re: Mom, Dad, I hate it when you fight! by Matt Boyd 04/07/2003, 12:16am PDT NEW
                                                        Oops by I need clarification 04/07/2003, 12:20am PDT NEW
                                                            SB: An example of what not to do when acting as a mouthpiece for a site. by Matt Boyd 04/07/2003, 12:40am PDT NEW
                                                        Re: Mom, Dad, I hate it when you fight! by Entropy Stew 04/07/2003, 12:30am PDT NEW
                                                        Re: Mom, Dad, I hate it when you fight! by Mysterio 04/07/2003, 12:45am PDT NEW
                                                            He's got my vote. NT by mrs. johnson 04/07/2003, 12:46am PDT NEW
                                                                It says "POST A REPLY." by FoK 04/07/2003, 12:50am PDT NEW
                                                                    Yeah by mrs. johnson 04/07/2003, 2:44am PDT NEW
                                                            Ace! by Mr. Palomar 04/07/2003, 1:08am PDT NEW
                                                Re: Mom, Dad, I hate it when you fight! by Mr. Palomar 04/06/2003, 7:47pm PDT NEW
                                                    Re: Mom, Dad, I hate it when you fight! by Ray, of Light 04/06/2003, 10:21pm PDT NEW
                                                        Can't. Copyright. NT by Entropy Stew 04/06/2003, 10:31pm PDT NEW
                                                        Re: Mom, Dad, I hate it when you fight! by Jhoh Creexul 04/06/2003, 10:44pm PDT NEW
                                                            Re: Mom, Dad, I hate it when you fight! by Bill Dungsroman 04/06/2003, 11:07pm PDT NEW
                                                    OMFG joo are sooo Vag LOLERZ!!!! by lessmedsplz 04/06/2003, 10:43pm PDT NEW
                                                        OMFG LO- sorry, what? by Ray, of Light 04/06/2003, 11:21pm PDT NEW
                                                            Re: OMFG LO- sorry, what? by lessmedsplz 04/06/2003, 11:49pm PDT NEW
                                                                Heh -nt- by Ray, of Light 04/07/2003, 12:04am PDT NEW
                                                        Record of the Pond Pavilion by Mr. Palomar 04/07/2003, 12:23am PDT NEW
                                                            The la(te)st in a long string of disappointments by Ray, of Light 04/07/2003, 1:14am PDT NEW
                                                                OMG!!!!1!1! CHECK MY IP!!! This IS NOT ZSENI IVEREAD3BOOKSFOREVERY1YOUVESEEN NT by Mr. Palomar 04/07/2003, 1:40am PDT NEW
                                                    "But what," say the forum denizens, "does pod people think?" by up with pod people 04/06/2003, 10:57pm PDT NEW
                                                    Mystery Solved by Mischief Maker 04/06/2003, 11:01pm PDT NEW
                                                Excuse me, what? by I need clarification 04/07/2003, 12:13am PDT NEW
                                                    You're a fag... or whatever. by Fullofkittens 04/07/2003, 12:29am PDT NEW
                                            ME TOO by creativepig 04/06/2003, 6:25pm PDT NEW
    Re: I'm not one to give an ultimatum (Well, maybe I am), but... by Jhoh Creexul 04/05/2003, 9:38pm PST NEW
        Faggotry+synergy=the last 24 hours. LET IT DIE(the drama, not the website) by SBDMT 04/05/2003, 11:50pm PST NEW
            Re: Faggotry+synergy=the last 24 hours. LET IT DIE(the drama, not the website) by Jhoh Creexul 04/05/2003, 11:51pm PST NEW
        THEN JUST MOTHERFUCKING GO RETARD. NT by The back of everyone's mind 04/06/2003, 12:12am PST NEW
            So in the back of everyone's mind, everyone is a big pussy? NT by Jhoh Creexul 04/06/2003, 12:19am PST NEW
    Re: I'm not one to give an ultimatum (Well, maybe I am), but... by ydrt 04/05/2003, 11:49pm PST NEW
    Re: I'm not one to give an ultimatum (Well, maybe I am), but... by moremedsplz 04/06/2003, 4:53pm PDT NEW
    I have an opinion... and it's stupid. by mrs. johnson 04/06/2003, 7:57pm PDT NEW
        I share this stupid opinion. NT by curst 04/06/2003, 9:32pm PDT NEW
    Re: I'm not one to give an ultimatum (Well, maybe I am), but... by Entropy Stew 04/06/2003, 8:05pm PDT NEW
        Re: I'm not one to give an ultimatum (Well, maybe I am), but... by moremedsplz 04/06/2003, 9:23pm PDT NEW
        I made it so you guys would listen. It seems to have worked. by Bill Dungsroman 04/06/2003, 11:06pm PDT NEW
            BDR comes down, community rejoices. Hot gay sex ensues. NT by mrs. johnson 04/06/2003, 11:21pm PDT NEW
            Thanks, and I agree with both BDR and ES here. Sorry about the mistaken ID, BDR by Senor Barborito 04/07/2003, 12:10am PDT NEW
 
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