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| Re: What'll convince me by Senor Barborito 03/19/2003, 10:24pm PST | ||||
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Diotallevi wrote: Look, it's not even trolling if you don't remotely try to be subtle about it. Please troll better so I can actually get angry instead of just roll my eyes - my first girlfriend (Jewish) will get a good laugh when I mention that I got accused of being an anti-Semite next time I toss her an email. If you'd said I'm anti-Israel, you'd have been right, of course (and I'm sure you know this). The USS Liberty was an accident. There's a ton of evidence either way mostly coming from Ennes and Nowicki. I think Nowicki leaves out a lot of important points - he asks why Israel would attack if the Liberty didn't have a Hebrew linguist aboard - but how would the sabras have the faintest fucking clue what the capabilities of the Liberty were in terms of translation/recording for future translation. Hint: they wouldn't. For more info on this incident, the Washington Post wrote an excellent summary article last month. Also (perhaps you could make this one of your journal entries!) what exactly did Sharon do wrong at Shabra and Shatilla (or however you spell them)? and by what standard is he a war criminal? Click on the Sabra & Shatilla Massacre section and start reading. indictsharon.net builds an excellent, well-supported, and non-hysterical (unlike the thousands of angry screaming Islamist websites out there) case against Sharon the just might convince you. What it boils down to as far as my limited understanding goes is that he oversaw the massacre (possibly including rape) of anywhere from 700-3,500 (mostly like a little over a thousand, if the Red Cross is to be believed) Palestinians/Lebanese Shi'ites, almost all civilians. An Israeli commission on the incident found him responsible, for what it's worth - his role was leader of the IDF forces that surrounded the camp in question and barred entry/exit while a Lebanese force marched in and performed the slaughter personally. When asked about what to do with a group of 40 civilians in the camp being held at gunpoint, he replied, 'do the will of God.' There is little to no mainstream media coverage of this incident - most reporters going in in the last five to ten years have stated that it is impossible to get any info on the topic anymore from anyone (Salon had a reporters article on this experience up recently but I'm afraid I don't have the link). --SB |
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Dan Savage's Extremely Convincing Latest (For Zebco, Mostly) by 03/14/2003, 3:38pm PST  Re: Dan Savage's Extremely Convincing Latest (For Zebco, Mostly) by 03/14/2003, 4:09pm PST I wouldn't say entirely, for me, but I'm significantly swayed by 03/14/2003, 4:52pm PST Re: Dan Savage's Extremely Convincing Latest (For Zebco, Mostly) by 03/14/2003, 4:10pm PST Does this mean we also need to remove the Isralies too? by 03/17/2003, 11:48am PST Worth a few minutes by 03/18/2003, 8:02pm PST You + This guy = Best Friends Forever by 03/18/2003, 9:10pm PST What'll convince me by 03/18/2003, 9:54pm PST If Saddam DID have WMD, would we dare attack? (hint: N Korea) (NT) by 03/19/2003, 4:02pm PST Re: What'll convince me by 03/19/2003, 8:16pm PST Re: What'll convince me by 03/19/2003, 10:24pm PST Re: What'll convince me by 03/20/2003, 9:53pm PST I'll say this much by 03/20/2003, 11:34pm PST Re: I'll say this much by 03/21/2003, 8:23am PST |
