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Re: Fuck Pro Tools and anything owned by Avid. (DAW recommendations!) by Fullofkittens 12/10/2018, 12:55pm PST
Ice Cream Jonsey wrote:



Would you not recommend Cubase? I downloaded Reaper over the weekend and was not able to figure out on my own how to get it working with my MIDI In. I was pretty cranky coming into the weekend and, having gotten everything talking to each other in Abelton, I know I have to resist the thoughts that come through my head like, "They know what we want to do, why the fuck is it so difficult to make it do this thing?"


I would recommend Cubase, sure. It's just more expensive. I have often idly thought of going back to it myself. But I got locked into Ableton by purchasing their hardware.

What blew my mind, and I may have this wrong, is that a hardware synth can make anything from a snare drum to a cow bell to a trumpet to a bass guitar. Unless I have that wrong? Blows my mind!

ICJ


Well, there's multiple ways to make a sound, the hardware boxes are all different. A couple of popular ways:
  • Analog synthesis, where you have electric oscillators that make bright simple sounds (sawtooth waves, square waves, white noise) and then filters shape the sound. This is classic "synth sound."

  • FM synthesis, where you take a sine wave and modulate it at very high speeds with multiple other sine waves. This is the classic 80s keyboard and bass sound.

  • Wavetable synthesis, where you have lots of available digital wavetables and you combine them to make a sound.

  • PCM synthesis, where they just have a disk that plays back sampled waveforms and shapes them using envelopes and filters. The big workstationy synths usually do this.

  • Straight sampling, where you play back sampled sounds using whatever sound shaping you want.


So to say a hardware synth can play all those sounds, yes, you could do any of those sounds using any type of synthesis, the difference would be in the closeness of the approximation to the real sound. An 808 analog drum machine has a kick drum and a cowbell, neither of which sound anything like real physical instruments (but they are classic sounds). An MPC plays back samples and it sounds like the real instruments (because it's playing a recording). Generally there isn't much advantage to using a hardware sampler when your computer already has a disk and a sound card. (Except that gadgets are cool and fun.) Most hardware synths are going to do more than just play samples, though. Is there a particular sound you're hoping to make?
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Any of you ever pay for a new musical work to be made? by Mysterio 11/05/2018, 8:02am PST NEW
    How many hours do you think it will take to make this song? NT by $200 for a days work ain't bad 11/06/2018, 6:36am PST NEW
    It depends. by Fullofkittens 11/07/2018, 8:42am PST NEW
        FoK, are you up on synthesizers at all? by Ice Cream Jonsey 12/06/2018, 12:20pm PST NEW
            I am retracting this question until I learn more. I just realized everything I d by Ice Cream Jonsey 12/07/2018, 10:25am PST NEW
                Arturia CS-80V (software) 150 bucks, free demo by Entropy Stew 12/07/2018, 11:43am PST NEW
                    Re: Arturia CS-80V (software) 150 bucks, free demo by Ice Cream Jonsey 12/07/2018, 12:40pm PST NEW
                        Is your intent to have physical synths? by Entropy Stew 12/07/2018, 1:20pm PST NEW
                            Also: dealing with outboard euipment is a lot more complicated and $$$ NT by Entropy Stew 12/07/2018, 1:22pm PST NEW
                            Re: Is your intent to have physical synths? by Ice Cream Jonsey 12/08/2018, 9:37am PST NEW
                                Pro Tools Free is out by Ice Cream Jonsey 12/08/2018, 1:32pm PST NEW
                                    Abelton Live 10 is in by Ice Cream Jonsey 12/08/2018, 4:00pm PST NEW
                                Pro Tools was always more about recording mic'd up instruments than anything by Entropy Stew 12/08/2018, 3:56pm PST NEW
                                    Fuck Pro Tools and anything owned by Avid. (DAW recommendations!) by Fullofkittens 12/09/2018, 9:35am PST NEW
                                        Oh and I forgot about Reason by Fullofkittens 12/09/2018, 10:21am PST NEW
                                        Re: Fuck Pro Tools and anything owned by Avid. (DAW recommendations!) by Ice Cream Jonsey 12/10/2018, 8:36am PST NEW
                                            Re: Fuck Pro Tools and anything owned by Avid. (DAW recommendations!) by Fullofkittens 12/10/2018, 12:55pm PST NEW
                                                P.S. maybe I should have read the upthread conversation NT by Fullofkittens 12/10/2018, 7:38pm PST NEW
                                                Re: Fuck Pro Tools and anything owned by Avid. (DAW recommendations!) by Ice Cream Jonsey 12/19/2018, 5:19am PST NEW
                                                    Status so far by Ice Cream Jonsey 12/19/2018, 6:33pm PST NEW
                                                        You have to click the "play" button on each track, below where you think you are by Ice Cream Jonsey 12/19/2018, 7:22pm PST NEW
                                                        Think of MIDI like a programmer. by Fullofkittens 12/19/2018, 8:19pm PST NEW
                                                    Re: Fuck Pro Tools and anything owned by Avid. (DAW recommendations!) by Fullofkittens 12/19/2018, 8:31pm PST NEW
                                Would u guys get a Behringer Nitro or Behringer Model D all things being equal? NT by Jack Bauer 12/09/2018, 10:08pm PST NEW
                                    I assume you mean Model D or Neutron? Probably Neutron. by Fullofkittens 12/10/2018, 2:33pm PST NEW
                                        I got a Model D! I have questions. by Ice Cream Jonsey 01/04/2019, 11:07pm PST NEW
                                            Gonna need more details by Fullofkittens 01/05/2019, 6:18am PST NEW
                                                First part: by Ice Cream Jonsey 01/05/2019, 9:17am PST NEW
                                                    Re: First part: by Fullofkittens 01/05/2019, 9:48am PST NEW
                                                        FoK: sko greatest poster in forum history? by Ice Cream Jonsey 01/05/2019, 11:41am PST NEW
                                                            My pleasure, I learned this stuff initially from forum people as well. by Fullofkittens 01/05/2019, 1:16pm PST NEW
                                        Fuck, now I want a Neutron by Entropy Stew 01/11/2019, 8:11pm PST NEW
                                            Fuck, I bought a Minilogue NT by Entropy Stew 01/12/2019, 3:38pm PST NEW
                                                That looks neat. I wish I could justify another synth. by Fullofkittens 01/12/2019, 7:25pm PST NEW
                                                    First patch by Entropy Stew 01/13/2019, 2:04pm PST NEW
                                                        rad, reminds me of Carpenter Brut (which is rad) NT by Fullofkittens 01/14/2019, 4:47am PST NEW
                                                            Found a Blade Runner cover on a minilogue by Entropy Stew 01/14/2019, 8:26am PST NEW
                                                                Outstanding purchase. Now sell me your guitar. NT by Motherhead 01/14/2019, 1:27pm PST NEW
                                                FUCK, THEY JUST CAME OUT WITH A BETTER ONE by Entropy Stew 01/16/2019, 5:10am PST NEW
                                                    Upon listening to the video, might be more of a side-grade than an upgrade by Entropy Stew 01/16/2019, 5:25am PST NEW
    Korg SP280BK ? by Ice Cream Jonsey 05/18/2019, 8:59pm PDT NEW
        USB == you can plug it straight into your computer w/o owning anything else. by Fullofkittens 05/20/2019, 5:13pm PDT NEW
            Thanks again! by Ice Cream Jonsey 05/21/2019, 10:55am PDT NEW
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