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Re: Pretty good by kate leth 01/13/2015, 2:52am PST
Mysterio wrote:

But it would be better if the college students were even a tiny bit likable, or if they had at least SOME halfway understandable reason for acting so stupidly, instead of just being straw men


On giving this more thought, "likeable" is a pretty subjective thing. They come out as being anti-gun. That makes them inherently likeable to certain people.

The same applies to "understandable reason for acting so stupidly." This is a good point that it has to be portrayed to the audience. The only thing is that it's how people act in real life, it is fully congruent with the beliefs that millions of people hold. And why do they hold those beliefs? Because they were taught those beliefs. Nothing more. In a way, that information is portrayed in the story, through the simple fact that they were all college students, and continue to live in the university, symbolically never moving beyond the things they were told, mostly because they were able to bunker up and ignore the problem outside. The only option to make this understandable to the reader is probably just to make it more obvious, which I don't want to do, because I feel the story already works as it is, and already runs the risk of being far too obvious.

On the idea of the characters being "strawmen," there are plenty of people who behave as living breathing strawman arguments. They are objectively wrong, they hold incorrect stupid beliefs that they worship dogmatically, which in a way is the main theme of this story (padded out with a bunch of shooty action post apocalypse stuff). On one of my other comic projects, the satire one, I actually had someone angrily complain and say that the writing is bad because, and I'm not lying, they said that "satire needs to have subtlety." They actually for real thought that objectively false concept, held the lie in their mind, and never once questioned it. Timing, much like history and objective truth itself, was on my side in this one, as this was only about a week ago. My response was this:



And then I thanked them for being a living breathing strawman that I could easily destroy. Why do they always come to me to die? 8)
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Yeap I've pretty much written a new """graphic novel""" myself heh. by kate leth 12/31/2014, 11:16pm PST NEW
    Pretty good by Mysterio 01/11/2015, 10:40am PST NEW
        I would but they are strawmen in real life. ^_^ by kate leth 01/13/2015, 1:28am PST NEW
        Re: Pretty good by kate leth 01/13/2015, 2:52am PST NEW
            Re: Pretty good by Mysterio 01/13/2015, 7:04am PST NEW
                Re: Pretty good by kate leth 01/13/2015, 11:46am PST NEW
            the word for satire without subtlety is farce by Mysterio 01/14/2015, 9:24am PST NEW
                That's like when Paul claims the definition of insanity is to be unable to tell by Eurotrash 01/14/2015, 10:02am PST NEW
                    I can't tell if you missed the riff on a cable post or just didn't look it up NT by Mysterio 01/15/2015, 6:39pm PST NEW
                Tell that to everyone who says the faily shit or cuntbert report are satire. NT by kate leth 01/14/2015, 10:12am PST NEW
                    Says the one person here beneath the Daily Show by you could write that stuff 01/14/2015, 12:47pm PST NEW
                        On the contrary, I don't. Welp, I just won that argument, that was easy. 8) NT by kate leth 01/15/2015, 6:14am PST NEW
                        He's like an actually threatening Colbert by Vested Id 01/15/2015, 11:18am PST NEW
                    FAILY SHIT HA HA HA HA HA by #ItsAboutEthicsinGamingJournalism 01/14/2015, 4:15pm PST NEW
                        Still funnier than you. Unless you count involuntary hilarity, in which case by Eurotrash 01/15/2015, 11:07am PST NEW
                    if you're going to claim significant insight you might as well get shit right by Mysterio 01/15/2015, 6:42pm PST NEW
                        Yeah, no more fuckups, Cable. NT by Terminally unemployed shutin 01/15/2015, 7:19pm PST NEW
                        "You're wrong. [no proof]" I win. 8) NT by kate leth 01/16/2015, 9:02am PST NEW
                            "You're right, but have room to be more right." "You think I'm wrong!" Insecure. NT by Mysterio 01/16/2015, 9:59pm PST NEW
                                Degrees of rightness. by kate leth 01/17/2015, 7:19am PST NEW
                                    >degrees >not bringing up the total number of things you're right about by Mysterio 01/17/2015, 9:22am PST NEW
                                        Total number of things I'm right about: 99% by kate leth 01/17/2015, 4:24pm PST NEW
                                            Watching Jhoh school #Its has been worth the price of admission. NT by Mysterio Lollerson 01/17/2015, 8:29pm PST NEW
                                                Your pet right-wing blogshitter has schooled no one by #ItsAboutEthicsinGamingJournalism 01/20/2015, 12:47am PST NEW
                                                    Oh. I seem to have clearly thought that he did. by Mysterio Lollerson 01/22/2015, 6:31pm PST NEW
    I'm making an indiegogo to pay to have this drawn. by kate leth 01/16/2015, 2:01pm PST NEW
        I just decided on "either/or" by kate leth 01/16/2015, 2:43pm PST NEW
            8) 8) 8) 8) 8) by kate leth 01/17/2015, 11:45am PST NEW
                You do make a good point. by kate leth 01/17/2015, 4:25pm PST NEW
        Who would pay for your worthless bullshit? by #ItsAboutEthicsinGamingJournalism 01/17/2015, 2:50pm PST NEW
            What's wrong with jacking off to cartoons? by Worm 01/17/2015, 4:11pm PST NEW
                Cartoons aren't capable of giving consent by Social Justice fan fic writer 01/17/2015, 7:01pm PST NEW
                Re: What's wrong with jacking off to cartoons? by Mysterio 01/18/2015, 11:26am PST NEW
                    I say seek help NT by Eurotrash 01/19/2015, 10:00pm PST NEW
    Related. ^_^ by kate leth 01/21/2015, 9:07am PST NEW
    Fully revised finished version (with pitchas too). by kate leth 01/26/2015, 3:29am PST NEW
    Related, AGAIN. by kate leth 02/01/2015, 7:03pm PST NEW
 
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