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by fucking newbie 01/05/2014, 3:35pm PST |
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Ice Cream Jonsey wrote:
What his post DOES capture is how a game can seem rich and infinite until you start playing it for a longer time. Hitchcock used to say that he felt a movie was perfect when the screenplay was finished. Like he didn't want to film it at all. (That's probably apocrypha. Or I just got the story wrong.) I know where he's coming from, though. A game these days is never more loved than right after I pay for it in Steam. But yes, it looks like he had some fun... initially.
He's stopped coming here, otherwise I would link him to the discussion, but I do know that he doesn't care about the writing for a Civ game. People were giving him a hard time a while back because he was looking at Starcraft 2 like it was a multiplayer sport, and people kept bringing up the laughable campaign mode. To me it was like disliking RBI Baseball because of the plot.
You've spent more time with it, I take it, and it doesn't hold up? I haven't played it. I only know that it has a terrible title and looks pretty.
That whole post up there was originally gonna be a comment on Jolt Country 'cause Caltrops doesn't seem to care about these games, but the page was broken. Let me know if I should still bother. I was hoping 4xgamer would take off and I could write something over there, but that ship's already sailed and anyway I probably did something stupid and foreign when you guys invited me to send over reports on Paradox grand strats and then got lukewarm.
To my eye, there's plenty of flaws in Pandora when it comes to everything that isn't writing - from what's irritating in the UI design and camera control to tech tiers, the tech tree, diplomacy, and the range of units they chose to design; it is a general letdown and as soon as you've put in the time to get past skin-depth this is all made manifest. That he didn't get around to covering this is perhaps telling that it stopped being fun, or else that people just have low expectations of 4xes ever breaking away from the cookie-cutter formulas. Admittedly even I don't play shit like Aurora ('The Dwarf Fortress of 4x Games' and it only goes downhill from there). Derek Smart is not a direction you want to go in. Despite this terrible trend of staple design decisions and the even worse trend of indie designers getting out of the polluted stream of big 4x design only to jump into a toxic waste dump, not saying something about the genre's shortcomings would be like not doing it for adventure games and for some reason I expected Pinback to do it, no idea why.
I felt like there should be a scathing review of it somewhere that covered these aspects at least a little. Turns out my ability is hampered in more than one way: apparently I still don't know how not to be a cunt, check back next year.
Tolerable writing in these games mainly serves to keep me from wincing. If you have to spend several hours looking at this shit, it can be helpful if everything about it isn't pap. If the expectation is that this will never matter because it's all pap, you can avoid that, but when one's seen the counterexamples it gets harder. I can completely agree that starcraft wasn't ever gonna be a likely source of it.
Certainly anything claiming to be a spiritual successor to something of a counterexample needs to be taken to task. SMAC isn't the best counterexample I can think of, but it's one and deserves consideration. |
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Pinback trolls hard with review of failed spiritual successor for Alpha Centauri by insomniac newbie 01/03/2014, 1:34am PST 
Please don't stop posting, the drones need you. They look up to you. NT by A friend 01/03/2014, 6:12am PST 
Pinback trolls hard with review of failed spiritual successor for Alpha Centauri by Ice Cream Jonsey 01/03/2014, 9:26pm PST 
He'll.be.back. NT by WITTGENSTEIN 01/03/2014, 9:42pm PST 
Re: Pinback trolls hard with review of failed spiritual successor for Alpha Cent by fucking newbie 01/05/2014, 3:35pm PST 
What? Where did you get that impression? by WITTGENSTEIN 01/06/2014, 4:31pm PST 
Like Shogun 2? NT by fucking newbie 01/06/2014, 5:11pm PST 
Shogun 2's not a 4X, junior. NT by OH HO SIDESTEPPED YOUR LOGIC TRAP 01/06/2014, 6:52pm PST 
It seems as close to them as you want to get, DAD by fucking newbie 01/06/2014, 7:06pm PST 
Psst, Fortinbras = WITTGENSTEIN NT by Caltrops Historian 01/06/2014, 7:50pm PST 
Good, now I can mock him directly. NT by bored newbie 01/06/2014, 8:14pm PST 
There hasn't been a really good 4x in a few years. by WITTGENSTEIN 01/06/2014, 8:38pm PST 
This is why I want to identify the one or two things a game will occasionally by get right and enumerate the flaws. 01/06/2014, 8:57pm PST 
You take that slick convo right here and nowhere else NT by Caltrops.Com 01/06/2014, 11:15pm PST 
what, no lecture about not being a wannabe failed romero? NT by surprised newbie 01/06/2014, 11:23pm PST 
Well, I agree with some of that. by pinback 01/09/2014, 2:47pm PST 
I should've just talked about the game rather than calling you out like a drama by queen - stupid newbie 01/10/2014, 7:00pm PST 
I really have no argument for any of this. by pinback 01/10/2014, 10:06pm PST 
If that's really how you feel, I'll just take a minute here to tell you to buck by up - stupid newbie 01/10/2014, 11:21pm PST 
And thanks for the compliment. by stupid newbie 01/10/2014, 11:23pm PST 
pinback will be nice to anyone who fellates his ego, so thanks for that. NT by We don't want him to come back here 01/11/2014, 12:59pm PST 
FAGGOTS don't want smart guys around, true NT by You FAGGOTS 01/11/2014, 1:43pm PST 
Thanks for proving our point, pinback NT by We don't want him to come back here 01/11/2014, 3:20pm PST 
I didn't post that. NT by pinback 01/11/2014, 4:59pm PST 
You brought this on yourselves, Caltrops. by stupid newbie 01/11/2014, 5:27pm PST 
Hm, I wonder why someone might have been fooled by an angry Pinback ATOR NT by It is a mystery. 01/11/2014, 6:10pm PST 
I assumed it was him. Caltrops & Pinback: PRETTIEST PRINCESSES. Dance-off up nex by stupid newbie 01/11/2014, 9:14pm PST 
At least he's not posting gifs of spinning dicks or anything. NT by Caltrops Historian 01/11/2014, 11:11pm PST 
Gotta miss trading on the Zseni-Cable Cock Exchange now that boner futures are by down :( - stupid newbie 01/11/2014, 11:23pm PST 
I'LL BUY THEM AT ANY PRICE. HOMPTH HURMPTH SLURP BLUGH NT by JERKCITY 01/12/2014, 12:13am PST 
Was Pinback also Flack? I get confused. NT by FoK 01/11/2014, 6:38pm PST 
You're welcome, dad. Is that whining I hear, or are you just aging gracelessly? by stupid newbie 01/11/2014, 1:46pm PST 
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