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I don't know that I would blame the armchair enthusiasts... by Mischief Professional 02/22/2012, 12:09pm PST
It's an occupational hazard of lawyers that you will every once in a while run into a client with a losing case and explain to them in no uncertain detail how much better off they'd be if they let the case go, only for them to insist that this death march go full charge because Truth and Justice and Whatthefuckever are more important than their own individual well being.



I've become fascinated with this concept of memes: that ideas, once let loose in the world, are subject to mutation and natural selection in a manner analogous to viruses. They don't evolve to further the purpose for which they were "intelligently designed," nor for the good of the hosts that adopt them, but merely for their own procreation.

Take the inherent contradiction of conspiracy theorists that brilliant institutional constructs maintain the status of the powerful, yet when these powerful individuals are put under the microscope they fail to show the brilliance capable of creating these institutions in the first place. Howard Zinn's argument that the idea that war is "human nature" serves to morally absolve the powerful from the consequences of the wars they start, could in fact be an evolutionary adaptation of the meme for its own survival. If that idea mutated into a form that was harmful to the powerful, it would become subject to even more environmental hazards (ie. suppression). Did the wealthy and powerful of feudal Italy secretly and intentionally decide to break all the "official" promises of the feudal system to counter-intuitively to maintain their own power, or were they powerful simply because they become hosts to symbiotic memes that evolved survival mechanisms in unexpected ways, symbiotes that were not identified until Niccolo Machiavelli published "The Prince?"

At the same time, I wonder if the armchair enthusiasts truly are bad people for endorsing the "war = human nature" meme. If evolutionary forces created the idea's infectious processes, how are we as mere humans able to combat them?

Then again, vaccination involves putting chunks of viral capsids into people's systems to effectively say, "if you ever run across something shaped like this, get rid of it pronto!" The Scientology meme infects its host little by little, starting with a personality test, going through stages of therapy, until the host's defenses are sufficiently compromised to accept the idea of Xenu and his alien ghosts in its entirety. If, however, you expose someone to Scientology in its entirety early, if they take a trip to LA and someone offers them a free personality test, they'll know to reject the infection attempt immediately.



All that said, I think you're misinterpreting laudable, fabs. I think he finds WWI fascinating like a trainwreck and wishes to understand it in a preventative sense, he's not celebrating it. That, and it gives him a great excuse to take a fun-filled trip to France.

I've been to France twice, laudable, and I've never had people be rude to me. Opening with, "Je ne parle pas Francais, parlez vous Anglais?" (I don't speak French, do you speak English?), made a much better impression than making the (to them arrogant) assumption that all French people speak English. Also, I doubt "You'd all be speaking German if it wasn't for us!" will work all that well in Alsace.
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Planning a summer vacation to France in 2014 by laudablepuss 02/20/2012, 7:16am PST NEW
    I'm going to Risa to read my book and go spelunking! NT by Jean Luc Picard 02/20/2012, 8:54am PST NEW
        I think "spelunking" is a euphemism on Risa. Be careful, buddy. NT by laudablepuss 02/20/2012, 9:25am PST NEW
    Re: Planning a summer vacation to France in 2014 by Mysterio Jones 02/20/2012, 10:44am PST NEW
    Are you planning a China trip for the 100th anniversy of Nanking rape? by fabio 02/21/2012, 12:08am PST NEW
        Haha ok by laudablepuss 02/21/2012, 12:15am PST NEW
            Birthdays vs atrocity tourism. What's the difference? NT by Inside the mind of Laudable 02/21/2012, 12:49am PST NEW
                Did I log into the citizens against civil war reenactment forum? NT by Worm 02/21/2012, 1:06am PST NEW
                    Most civill war reenactors are racist gun nuts. They should be shunned. NT by fact 02/21/2012, 1:53am PST NEW
                        True. NT by laudablepuss 02/21/2012, 2:20am PST NEW
                        Yeah but there's nothing inherently wrong with the reenactment. by Worm 02/21/2012, 10:50am PST NEW
                            Re: Yeah but there's nothing inherently wrong with the reenactment. by laudablepuss 02/21/2012, 6:26pm PST NEW
                            Gettysburg! by fabio 02/22/2012, 5:19am PST NEW
                                Re: Gettysburg! by laudablepuss 02/22/2012, 6:28am PST NEW
                                A museum dares to have a gift shop, but North & South ... that's fucking art. by Worm 02/22/2012, 7:53am PST NEW
                                doesn't that pretty much describe the american revolution by Rafiki 02/22/2012, 11:54am PST NEW
                Re: Birthdays vs atrocity tourism. What's the difference? by laudablepuss 02/21/2012, 1:14am PST NEW
                Re: Birthdays vs atrocity tourism. What's the difference? by laudablepuss 02/21/2012, 2:19am PST NEW
                    Re: Birthdays vs atrocity tourism. What's the difference? by Mischief Professional 02/21/2012, 6:24pm PST NEW
                        Yeah that's a really disgusting thing only armchair enthusiasts would say by fabio 02/22/2012, 5:44am PST NEW
                            I don't know that I would blame the armchair enthusiasts... by Mischief Professional 02/22/2012, 12:09pm PST NEW
                                Re: I don't know that I would blame the armchair enthusiasts... by fabio 02/22/2012, 1:03pm PST NEW
                                    War implies consent by both parties involved. NT by Mischief Professional 02/22/2012, 1:35pm PST NEW
                                        I dunno about that. But if that was true of any war . . . by laudablepuss 02/22/2012, 4:55pm PST NEW
                                        I'm not sure Poland would agree by fabio 02/26/2012, 11:33am PST NEW
                                            ^not unlike NT by fabio 02/26/2012, 11:34am PST NEW
                                    Re: I don't know that I would blame the armchair enthusiasts... by laudablepuss 02/22/2012, 4:48pm PST NEW
                            Yes one sided slaughter is different from mutual slaughter. NT by Worm 02/22/2012, 12:30pm PST NEW
                                Sorry I didn't describe how: one is one sided the other isn't NT by Worm 02/22/2012, 12:31pm PST NEW
                Re: Birthdays vs atrocity tourism. What's the difference? NT by Laudablepuss 02/21/2012, 2:27am PST NEW
                Re: Birthdays vs atrocity tourism. What's the difference? NT by laudablepuss 02/21/2012, 2:29am PST NEW
                Re: Birthdays vs atrocity tourism. What's the difference? NT by laudablepuss 02/21/2012, 10:42am PST NEW
            Serious question by fabio 02/21/2012, 4:36pm PST NEW
                I still don't understand how those are analogous to World War 1. NT by Worm 02/21/2012, 5:25pm PST NEW
                    How is building a teeth necklace different from collecting severed limbs? NT by fabio 02/21/2012, 5:59pm PST NEW
                        Re: How is building a teeth necklace different from collecting severed limbs? by fabio 02/21/2012, 6:14pm PST NEW
                            A+ would converse with again NT by laudablepuss 02/21/2012, 6:16pm PST NEW
                Re: Serious question by laudablepuss 02/21/2012, 6:15pm PST NEW
                    How are they different? by fabio 02/21/2012, 6:23pm PST NEW
                        Re: How are they different? by laudablepuss 02/21/2012, 6:31pm PST NEW
                            Where was this fabio when CoD came out? NT by Worm 02/21/2012, 11:46pm PST NEW
                            You're above the question. Nice. by fabio 02/22/2012, 5:37am PST NEW
                                Re: You're above the question. Nice. by laudablepuss 02/22/2012, 6:25am PST NEW
                        why be interested in anything rather than anything else? NT by albear camoo 02/21/2012, 6:31pm PST NEW
                The Hurt Locker dudes need to make a WWI movie NT by Roop 02/22/2012, 6:56am PST NEW
    Going to the German speaking parts of France for that extra WWI ironic goodness? NT by Mischief Professional 02/21/2012, 6:42pm PST NEW
        Re: Going to the German speaking parts of France for that extra WWI ironic goodn by laudablepuss 02/21/2012, 7:11pm PST NEW
 
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