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Re: Coversation is combat by Ice Cream Jonsey 08/31/2011, 11:29pm PDT
Roop wrote:

This is important, the way these Canadians came up with this, conversation can be combat too!

This medium will never be taken seriously until it can do human interaction better. It's all about sprites hitting each other, been that way for thirty years. It's time to grow up.


Let's not garbage-day shooting people in the face. No I'm just kidding: Call of Duty, Gears of War and Battlefield of 1946 ruined shooting people in the face for everyone.

(I just got the sniper rifle in Deus Ex. It is MARVELOUS. Every other game in the world I have to be a better marksman than Simo Häyhä when shooting at ethnics all of 20 yards away, but with this one I actually shot two guys in a row, one in the head and one in the chest, and they both died, without the second guy even drawing his weapon. Ha haha!)


The dumb public doesn't remember these novels because they can't be movies, but if we just took this conversation system from Deus Ex, and evolved it a bit....

I'd play the game where you don't shoot anybody, instead have to fly between characters minds and manage ideas, and manipulate them. What the damn novels are about!

I've been wishing for such a game since the eighties, and I think it at this point it has to be somebody born in the eighties to make it. But this conversation system gives me hope. Once it isn't about some Cyborg, the game might actually have mass-market appeal, even!


Deus Ex: HR is the minimum we should expect from a video game. You can still see parts where the writers wanted to get facts x, y and z to the player, and they were going to be delivered no matter how awkwardly. The writing needed two more drafts. They also really could have used a director for the conversation bits, because I've seen Adam put his right hand on his hip while talking a dozen times now. (Using Breaking Bad as an example: Pinkman makes a series of speeches in the show, but they find a way to shoot him and light him in a different manner for each one. DE:HR would have benefitted by that.) God, it's so close to being excellent, while still being better than any other dramatic game with voice acting that I can think of at the moment.

I had an early scene with Sans Serif last night. I wanted to get some information out of him. At first I was trying to play it based on that "Alpha, Beta, Omega" personality thing. Sans is an alpha, so I was trying to react like how the text on the game says you should react to alphas. I got to the end of the scene and I didn't know why that data link was open. I failed here. It was as big a failure to me as not killing a boss monster.

I restored to replay it. For conversation! That's never happened in a non-text adventure game for me before.

It then hit me that I was playing like I had autism, trying to match the personality the game told me Mr Sans had with the right choice. When I listened to him properly and gave him my full attention, I made choices that felt natural and did much better. I got an answer. (I think Adam's boss is lying to him, so I can't say it's the right answer, but I got an answer.) Oh, playing it that way saved me a trip to GameFAQs.

I don't know how long games have been having voice acting. I guess since Gauntlet or something. The human revolution is that me, the human in question here, have revolutionized the way I played by re-doing a convo scene blah blah etc., sorry to go precipice: the balding there for a sec

But yes, it's good stuff. And promising.


the dark and gritty...Ice Cream Jonsey!
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Coversation is combat by Roop 08/31/2011, 9:39pm PDT NEW
    Re: Coversation is combat by Ice Cream Jonsey 08/31/2011, 11:29pm PDT NEW
        Re: Coversation is combat by EVEN EARLIER 09/01/2011, 9:02pm PDT NEW
    Storytron! by Chris Crawford 09/01/2011, 12:04am PDT NEW
    Playing high school counselor to a Mexican pirate is a low point in the game by WITTGENSTEIN 09/01/2011, 8:01am PDT NEW
        Also: Failing conversation checks just makes your job a bit harder, that's all. by WITTGENSTEIN 09/01/2011, 8:10am PDT NEW
            Also you can't shoot any of those guys in the face afterward. NT by Worm 09/01/2011, 10:07am PDT NEW
            SPOILERS for Detroit hub, Sarif/Adam convo by Ice Cream Jonsey 09/01/2011, 11:20am PDT NEW
                You missed the point by WITTGENSTEIN 09/01/2011, 3:55pm PDT NEW
                    Re: You missed the point by Ice Cream Jonsey 09/01/2011, 6:48pm PDT NEW
                Re: SPOILERS for Detroit hub, Sarif/Adam convo by Lizard_King 09/02/2011, 4:50pm PDT NEW
                    Re: SPOILERS for Detroit hub, Sarif/Adam convo by Ice Cream Jonsey 09/05/2011, 9:47pm PDT NEW
                        Re: SPOILERS for Detroit hub, Sarif/Adam convo by Lizard_King 09/06/2011, 6:49am PDT NEW
                            The only firefight that really had me flipping my keyboard/wanting gas resist is by WITTGENSTEIN 09/06/2011, 6:25pm PDT NEW
                                The only firefight that really had me flipping my keyboard/wanting gas resist is by Bradley Svedka. 09/06/2011, 7:13pm PDT NEW
                                You can just sneak past them like .... fucking everything. NT by Worm 09/07/2011, 12:10am PDT NEW
            conversations meant as combat: "winning" those nets you like 1750xp NT by jeep 09/06/2011, 10:53am PDT NEW
                OH SHIT ALERT THE INTERNET by WITTGENSTEIN 09/06/2011, 12:19pm PDT NEW
                    it's almost half a praxis in the first couple sections of the game by jeep 09/06/2011, 12:41pm PDT NEW
                        Hey, when do the majority of most of these important conversations take place? by WITTGENSTEIN 09/06/2011, 6:23pm PDT NEW
                            The game has very little consequences. I guess you can get your cop friend fired by Worm 09/07/2011, 12:09am PDT NEW
    Re: Coversation is combat by motherfuckerfoodeater 09/01/2011, 11:12am PDT NEW
        Re: Coversation is combat by Roop 09/05/2011, 9:05pm PDT NEW
 
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