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incident / user:SchuminWeb - abuse of admin privileges by Souffle of Pain 03/16/2011, 10:43pm PDT
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/IncidentArchive678#incident_.2F_user:SchuminWeb_-_abuse_of_admin_privileges

ANALYSIS: admins sucking each other's cocks, Schumin smugly contending that he's done nothing wrong.
CONCLUSION: SchuminWeb now weighs 465lbs
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Administrator SchuminWeb needs to be reviewed for displaying COI, as discussed in Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Old_Man_Murray_(2nd_nomination)#Old_Man_Murray. This kind of behavior compromises the integrity of Wikipedia policy. Examples of admin privilege abuse was nomination of deletion of articles where had subjects in articles have interacted with him in the past, resulting in a personal vendetta: Portal of Evil and Old Man Murray. Old Man Murray was restored due to COI and personal abuse of admin privileges. A gaming news/blogging article also gives coverage of the incident: http://www.rockpapershotgun.com/2011/03/02/old-man-murray-deleted-from-wikipedia/ --67.184.48.221 (talk) 00:23, 4 March 2011 (UTC)

Administrators should bear in mind that the Portal of Evil guys who are currently chasing SchuminWeb around the Internet have managed to get their beef posted to Slashdot (thread ), so there are likely to be many more posts like this. I'm not commenting specifically on SchuminWeb himself, just pointing out that a sudden large volume of IP posts on this topic doesn't mean very much, since it's externally solicited. — Gavia immer (talk) 00:35, 4 March 2011 (UTC)

Yeah, they're cute when they're upset. Of course, eventually they get too big and you have to flush them and the kids start crying and you have to promise to buy them another pet, also ice cream... HalfShadow 00:43, 4 March 2011 (UTC)

I'd be AWESOME if we could go through this discussion without tossing around invective. It gets hard to defend what happens here to outsiders when you act like this. Protonk (talk) 02:07, 4 March 2011 (UTC)

Why? How are you now? HalfShadow 02:28, 4 March 2011 (UTC)

Fuck it. Just keep doing whatever you want. Protonk (talk) 02:32, 4 March 2011 (UTC)

'kay. ...will you still be awesome? HalfShadow 02:34, 4 March 2011 (UTC)

Just to throw this question out there (not taking sides here at the moment): is proposing deletion of an article, as an administrator (i.e. as opposed to a non-administrator), considered abuse of administrative privileges? I ask because I thought admins were also editors and, while I understand admins are held to higher standards than regular editors, that doesn't prohibit them from engaging in regular activities non-admins do. Basically what I am getting at is, if the user in question (who has not actually deleted anything here but, instead, went through the normal deletion process like everyone else) was not an admin, would we still be having this discussion, or is it because of the status itself? –MuZemike 00:47, 4 March 2011 (UTC)

I agree that it seems to be problematical when editors who are also administrators do almost anything. Any editor should be able to nominate an article for deletion, but only admins can perform the deletion. When it comes to WP:CSD, I have deleted articles that are complete no-hopers, but on the borderline, I have nominated rather than take the decision myself. That's seeking to rely upon independent input. A PROD can be disputed and is open to any editor, and to do so to give a chance for the article to be fixed is assuming good faith, unless it is an obvious libel or copyright violation. That's what admins are meant to do, but if they are in doubt, there are other avenues. Humility predicates that doubt should be deferred to the community. Rodhullandemu 00:58, 4 March 2011 (UTC)

is proposing deletion of an article, as an administrator ... considered abuse of administrative privileges? No. Tonywalton Talk 01:04, 4 March 2011 (UTC)

SchuminWeb is connected to the article in a personal matter with the subjects discussed in the article. The conflict of interest involved is a serious matter. The admin deciding to pick on these particular articles is no coincidence. Also, let it be known that User:HalfShadow has a negative bias towards Portal of Evil (and as seen in his comments in this section of the article): [9] , [10] & [11] . I am indifferent with these articles and the parties involved. This kind of behavior can, sadly, happen to other articles, but I am personally a fan of video game history that had this issue brought to my attention the Rock Paper Shotgun article regarding the deletion of Old Man Murray. My agenda is to participate in pointing out the abuse that is occurring in the processes that are typically mundane. In this case, it is the nomination for deletion of articles. Even as small of an effect I may have (and how terrible my writing is), I am hopeful that I will some kind of effect that will raise awareness of this kind of behavior. Thanks! --67.184.48.221 (talk) 01:06, 4 March 2011 (UTC)

Comment When I saw the /. article I figured there would be a great deal of fecal turbulence (hey, I'm trying to keep it at least PG-13 here!) regarding the AfD. Looking through the histories of the AfDs and the DRV discussion, I don't think anyone's going to be able to convince most people that there wasn't a WP:COI involved. But this editor, for one, is going to have serious issues with jerking the mop away when the mop wasn't used in getting the article deleted. Adminship is no big deal, I keep hearing. But given the hoops RfA candidates go through right now to GET the mop, taking it away from someone SHOULD be a big deal, especially when it wasn't the mop that got the editor into the spotlight. --Alan the Roving Ambassador (talk) 01:12, 4 March 2011 (UTC)

Exactly. If I had speedied an article or otherwise deleted something out of process, then everyone crowing about what a horrible person I am might have a case. But I followed process by taking it through AFD, despite how painful that turned out to be (the whole thing lasted more than a month - the original nomination was on January 29). SchuminWeb (Talk) 01:55, 4 March 2011 (UTC)

I honestly think this would have gone better for you if you had WP:MERGE'd the OMM article's important bits into another article. I for one have never understood in all these years, why it seems like so many people prefer to delete instead of merge and clarify. In the case of what happened here, I would suggest it be considered that WP have a policy prohibiting anyone from nominating an article for deletion more than once. The fact that SchuminWeb nominated the article *twice* is what makes it seem like an attack and why the greater nerdcore decided to raise arms against him. So it is known, I am generally against destruction of information, which is what I see deletion as being in cases like this. --Omnitographer (talk) 03:05, 4 March 2011 (UTC)

comment Everyone is allowed to nominate an article for deletion. The COI policy doesn't apply to that issue because AfD's are decided by consensus and no one person's COI can affect the outcome - it is the community that makes the decision to delete. If the closing admin had a COI and the afd was a closerun it would be a different case. There is also no basis for even discussing desysopping here since no sysop privileges have been abused (or even used) in this case. I would suggest closing as frivolous baseless. ·Maunus·ƛ· 02:01, 4 March 2011 (UTC)

frivolous is much too strong a word. It's a complaint from a relatively inexperienced editor about what they see as overbearing behavior by an admin. It may be a unjustified, it may not be the right place for it, but I wouldn't call it frivolous. It's not unreasonable for editors to think (incorrectly) that we admins have great power in general; it's certainly not unreasonable for them to think that experienced editors have greater power than the newcomers. Though COI may nor may not apply--I can not say I am familiar with the situation--if someone associated with one enterprise nominates competitor's articles for deletion, I would call that at best ill-advised. DGG ( talk ) 02:21, 4 March 2011 (UTC)

comment I concur that there has been no actual abuse of admin privileges. That said, as enforcers of WP rules, admins are generally expected to hold themselves to a higher standard of behavior than the average editor - that means assuming good faith, no namecalling, scrupulously steering clear of COI situations, etc. It would have been best to make the initial nomination to AfD and then not post anything further on the subject, positive or negative. Stan (talk) 02:26, 4 March 2011 (UTC)

I don't agree. If I take an interest in an issue someone shouldn't be able disarm me by calling me names and then claiming that extended participation on my part is a COI. That entirely the wrong incentives. We also don't want to encourage the Wikipedians to instead participate by proxy by asking other community members to comment on their behalf. Rather, we should hold all editors to a standard of professionalism such that even when a COI is alleged that their arguments are clear, reasoned, and unemotional enough that even people who disagree should accept that they are well reasoned and not the pure product of a vendetta. I think Schumin has held himself to just that high of standard here (though I haven't read he wrote beyond his comments on the wiki). I also think the Wikipedia community needs to do more to protect its contributors from mobs which inevitable turn these events into personal attacks when there really is nothing personal about it. No WP admin can make a lasting deletion on their own, even if they're completely 'rogue', and yet these mobs are _always_ lobbing personal attacks either due to dishonesty or simple confusion about the Wikipedia process. --Gmaxwell (talk) 04:18, 4 March 2011 (UTC)

The treatment that SchuminWeb has been getting for this was uncalled for. The whole world is not going to come to an end because we don't have an Old Man Murray article. That being said, from strictly a common sense point of view, he was probably the wrong editor to nominate that article (and Portal of Evil) for deletion if for any reason then to avoid even the appearance of a COI and not to give that mob extra ammunition. If those 2 articles really needed to be deleted, then some other "evil deletionist nazi scum" would have eventually gotten around to it. --Ron Ritzman (talk) 04:36, 4 March 2011 (UTC)

"The appearance of a COI", huh? http://twitter.com/SchuminWeb/status/43143325208948736 Gmaxwell, though, is pretty sure that Schumin is 'the kind of person who is immune to this kind of stupidity and not the sort of person who would really bother with grudges'. I can understand that you want to be willfully blind on this; the alternative is that one of your own is an embarrassment, and surely that can't be the case. I see you put the nazi accusation in quotes; do you want to WP:CITE that, or is it just how you guys circle the wagons around here? --meatpuppet 184.164.3.165 (talk) 05:18, 4 March 2011 (UTC)

Should he have mentioned the COI in the nomination? Yes; the appearance of proper behavior is almost as important as proper behavior. Is this a big deal in this case? Not particularly. Did he ever abuse his admin tools? No. No admin tool has been used by him in any way associated with this matter. Can we now move on please? JoshuaZ (talk) 05:45, 4 March 2011 (UTC)
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Haha, that piece of shit Ben Schumin deleted the OMM Wikipedia page, too by Ice Cream Jonsey 02/20/2011, 2:57pm PST NEW
    Re: Haha, that piece of shit Ben Schumin deleted the OMM Wikipedia page, too by MORBIDLY OBESE MAN 02/20/2011, 3:01pm PST NEW
        Right-click > set as desktop background > throw half-eaten lunch in trash by Jerry Whorebach 02/20/2011, 4:03pm PST NEW
            You're beginning to see how Ben became a POE obsession in the first place. NT by 2001 02/21/2011, 6:30am PST NEW
            I blame Zchumon for the loss of that tuna NT by Bill On A Car Phone 02/22/2011, 6:53pm PST NEW
    The Wikipedia entry for Old Man Murray by Ice Cream Jonsey 02/20/2011, 4:21pm PST NEW
        Re: The Wikipedia talk page for Old Man Murray by Ice Cream Jonsey 02/20/2011, 4:22pm PST NEW
            "Hmmm, appears to violate WP:WEB" by Souffle of Pain 02/20/2011, 11:11pm PST NEW
                ------------ NT by WP:NOTABLE 02/20/2011, 11:53pm PST NEW
                    ------------ by Gay Dad 02/22/2011, 2:20pm PST NEW
                        Fatbook NT by Worm, Ed Gein 02/22/2011, 6:48pm PST NEW
                    Why did RPS link to that post specifically? NT by Not that I'm complaining. 03/02/2011, 3:50pm PST NEW
                        Hey John Walker, if you're reading this... by WITTGENSTEIN 03/02/2011, 6:27pm PST NEW
                            Jesus Christ, Wittgenstein by Ice Cream Jonsey 03/03/2011, 5:50am PST NEW
                                How many Kieron Gillen endorsements did you have to make to get on RPS? >:( NT by WITTGENSTEIN 03/04/2011, 6:06pm PST NEW
                                    Re: How many Kieron Gillen endorsements did you have to make to get on RPS? >:( by Ice Cream Jonsey 03/05/2011, 11:43am PST NEW
                                        Re: How many Kieron Gillen endorsements did you have to make to get on RPS? >:( by WITTGENSTEIN 03/05/2011, 1:53pm PST NEW
            Fuck me sideways for ever penning anything on a wikipedia edit page NT by Entropy Stew 02/20/2011, 11:48pm PST NEW
                Not so fast, Stew - it was re-opened by Souffle of Pain 02/23/2011, 11:40pm PST NEW
                    Ha ha ha! HOW'S IT GOIN' BEN by Souffle of Pain 02/23/2011, 11:49pm PST NEW
                        He thinks he suspects. NT by RUN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! 02/24/2011, 12:00am PST NEW
                            Ten Things I Think I Think I Suspect NT by Peter King 02/24/2011, 12:21am PST NEW
                        Caltrops: not interested in building an encyclopedia NT by Final titlebar of this website, yes 02/24/2011, 12:01am PST NEW
                            Where "building" equals "deleting" by Mysterious Stranger 02/24/2011, 12:42am PST NEW
                        Re: Ha ha ha! HOW'S IT GOIN' BEN by Kenji Carter 02/24/2011, 12:12am PST NEW
                            Re: Ha ha ha! HOW'S IT GOIN' BEN by Ben Schumin 02/24/2011, 8:43am PST NEW
                                This is just garden variety bland blog shit though. See: everyone on Facebook. NT by Fullofkittens 02/24/2011, 8:55am PST NEW
                                    2/24 Update by Souffle of Pain 02/24/2011, 1:43pm PST NEW
                                        good grief schumin NT by - 02/24/2011, 2:16pm PST NEW
                                        I personally find this indicitive of the "culture" there by laudablepuss 02/24/2011, 2:45pm PST NEW
                                        This user is an inclusionist by SchuminWeb's Wikipedia profile 02/25/2011, 3:24pm PST NEW
                                            Re: This user is an inclusionist by Entropy Stew 02/26/2011, 7:59pm PST NEW
                                                I'm confused. Is the head crusher supposed to be Caltrops or Schuminn? NT by Mysterio 02/26/2011, 10:09pm PST NEW
                                                    Impotent man crushes notional heads? Yeah, I suppose it could be either NT by Entropy Stew 02/27/2011, 9:49am PST NEW
                            Re: Ha ha ha! HOW'S IT GOIN' BEN by Burbank Botswill 05/21/2013, 2:01pm PDT NEW
                    Note to closing admin by Souffle of Pain 02/24/2011, 2:36pm PST NEW
                    Fine, I replied. Goddamn you for making me do it. NT by Entropy Stew 02/24/2011, 7:40pm PST NEW
                        Whoever made the gabe joke, I keese you NT by Entropy Stew 02/24/2011, 10:39pm PST NEW
                        Likewise. NT by Ice Cream Jonsey 02/25/2011, 8:06am PST NEW
                            bloviate about it all you want NT by OK I WILL 02/27/2011, 12:19pm PST NEW
                    The WikiVote icon looks suspiciously like a box of tissues. NT by Arbit 02/25/2011, 12:28pm PST NEW
                        WankiVote NT by motherfuckerfoodeater 02/25/2011, 1:16pm PST NEW
                    Update: UGO is a valid source. OMM was a UGO member. OMM is citable QED - WP:LOL by Entropy Stew 02/27/2011, 6:49pm PST NEW
                        NOOO this is at the WRONG LEVELLLL ARHGHAHGAHGHLAUGH NT by Entropy Stew 02/27/2011, 6:49pm PST NEW
                        Update: UGO is a valid source. OMM was a UGO member. OMM is citable QED - WP:LOL by Mysterio 02/27/2011, 9:42pm PST NEW
    Notice that faggot Golbez is nowhere to be seen when he could be useful. NT by motherfuckerfoodeater 02/25/2011, 10:43pm PST NEW
    Seems to me *hooks thumbs in suspenders*this whole mess would blow over if y'all by could find some outside references 02/25/2011, 11:08pm PST NEW
        Re: Seems to me *hooks thumbs in suspenders*this whole mess by Diet Doctor Pepper 02/26/2011, 6:07am PST NEW
        in all wikiseriousness, that's exactly what ES did. NT by Fullofkittens 02/26/2011, 6:24am PST NEW
        Seems to me *hooks thumbs in suspenders*this whole mess would blow over if y'all by Mysterious Stranger 02/26/2011, 6:47am PST NEW
            Let's leave his weight out of it. That's not germane to the discussion. NT by It's Just Mean, Guys :( 02/26/2011, 7:01am PST NEW
                Re: Let's leave his weight out of it. That's not germane to the discussion. by Golbez 02/26/2011, 8:03am PST NEW
                    Let's combine both. by WITTGENSTEIN 02/26/2011, 3:56pm PST NEW
    Ben Schumin's argument is so strong, he banned my account on Wikipedia by Souffle of Pain 02/26/2011, 11:23am PST NEW
        Appeal: denied! by Souffle of Pain 02/26/2011, 12:12pm PST NEW
            And the finale. by Souffle of Pain 02/26/2011, 12:42pm PST NEW
                Re: And the finale. by The Warezwolf 02/26/2011, 12:59pm PST NEW
                    Lets pretend we dont use the wikipedia NT by Who watches the not-men 02/27/2011, 12:10am PST NEW
                        Between the Conservapedia and knowyourmeme, I'll be ok, friend. I'll be ok NT by The Warezwolf 02/27/2011, 1:05pm PST NEW
                            Agreed. by Ice Cream Jonsey 02/27/2011, 1:10pm PST NEW
                                Re: Agreed. by 1:23 PM PST 02/27/2011, 1:23pm PST NEW
                                    Ha by Ice Cream Jonsey 02/27/2011, 2:05pm PST NEW
                This is SoP's edit history by Entropy Stew 02/27/2011, 10:43pm PST NEW
                    Please take this advice in good faith by Peridon 02/27/2011, 11:12pm PST NEW
                        ICJ, please add to the FAQ NT by Entropy Stew 02/27/2011, 11:16pm PST NEW
                    Re: This is SoP's edit history by Souffle of Pain 02/28/2011, 5:35am PST NEW
                    Forget it Stew, it's Wikipedia. NT by Fullofkittens 02/28/2011, 5:41am PST NEW
                        So Wikipedia is basically NT by Chinatown [NT] 05/27/2013, 8:03pm PDT NEW
                    Sorry, SoP. I take it back - I wasn't reading the thread on this end thoroughly by Entropy Stew 02/28/2011, 9:49am PST NEW
                        Once again I reply to the wrong post NT by Entropy Stew 02/28/2011, 9:58am PST NEW
                        Think nothing of it my good friend NT by Souffle of Pain 02/28/2011, 11:36am PST NEW
                            He's not your friend. NT by Alisha Bailey 02/28/2011, 11:37am PST NEW
        Someone put <s> tags around your comment too. THAT'LL SHOW YA NT by Worm 02/28/2011, 5:39pm PST NEW
    Update: this thread is giving me WP:AIDS NT by Entropy Stew 02/26/2011, 6:21pm PST NEW
    "God, no wonder you got a baccalaureate in public administration. You're as bana NT by This was good. 02/27/2011, 12:20pm PST NEW
        Thanks. NT by WITTGENSTEIN 02/27/2011, 2:13pm PST NEW
    Re: Haha, that piece of shit Ben Schumin deleted the OMM Wikipedia page, too by A Casual Observer 02/28/2011, 5:54am PST NEW
    I am stunned by his Youtube journals. The fire drill one is incredible. NT by Gutsby 02/28/2011, 11:25am PST NEW
        link by we can link that shit 02/28/2011, 1:54pm PST NEW
            Wow, I couldn't even begin to imagine he was closeted. NT by Gutsby 02/28/2011, 2:08pm PST NEW
                That's what happens. Y'know. Yeah. So. NT by Entropy Stew 02/28/2011, 8:03pm PST NEW
                    Re: That's what happens. Y'know. Yeah. So. by Mystery it is a 03/01/2011, 5:46pm PST NEW
                        Fatty euphemism: a warning shot fired from my nuclear pathos projection cannon by The Shuminator 03/01/2011, 7:31pm PST NEW
                        Apparently it's wikipediaslang for "sock puppet who is actually a separate guy" by Entropy Stew 03/02/2011, 7:55am PST NEW
    =( by Ice Cream Jonsey 02/28/2011, 11:10pm PST NEW
        I'll get your belt some day NT by the second-nicest guy in the world 03/01/2011, 4:50pm PST NEW
            Re: I'll get your belt some day by Ice Cream Jonsey 03/01/2011, 11:34pm PST NEW
                That's really beautiful, you vagina by Souffle of Pain 03/01/2011, 11:46pm PST NEW
                    ICJ destroys all other admins just by being ICJ, no need to insult them, too. by Fullofkittens 03/02/2011, 5:37am PST NEW
                You and Jon Blow by motherfuckerfoodeater 03/02/2011, 12:34am PST NEW
                    Re: You and Jon Blow by Ice Cream Jonsey 03/02/2011, 9:20am PST NEW
            ICJ would just give it to you, and then you'd have to give it back again NT by Entropy Stew 03/02/2011, 9:14am PST NEW
        Your initial post was correct. This guy is a scumball. by Entropy Stew 03/02/2011, 4:15pm PST NEW
            Re: Your initial post was correct. This guy is a scumball. by Tyfus 03/02/2011, 4:28pm PST NEW
                Does not conform to WP:OFFICESHARING guidelines, I'd let the deletion stand. NT by lifebaka++ 03/02/2011, 4:49pm PST NEW
    Somebody just went honey badger on the article. by Honey Badger 03/01/2011, 10:37pm PST NEW
        It's probably the best-cited article in video games now. NT by Ben Schumin's Meat Puppets 03/02/2011, 7:23am PST NEW
        By honey badger, do you mean deleted? by Entropy Stew 03/02/2011, 9:16am PST NEW
            Was it relisted already or was I hitting the wrong page? Anyhow, holy shit. by Entropy Stew 03/02/2011, 9:26am PST NEW
                That was the first nomination. Now we're watching DELETE OMM 2: RESSURECTION NT by Worm 03/02/2011, 9:34am PST NEW
                Re: Was it relisted already or was I hitting the wrong page? Anyhow, holy shit. by Honey Badger 03/02/2011, 10:18am PST NEW
                    I'll try and make a pass over it tonight NT by Entropy Stew 03/02/2011, 10:51am PST NEW
                        Too late, deleted NT by SPERGVICTORY 03/02/2011, 11:10am PST NEW
                    HalfShadow's thoughts on Portal of Evil by Mysterio 03/02/2011, 11:12am PST NEW
                        "Never heard of it. Barely skimmed it. Considered it beyond contempt." by Fullofkittens 03/02/2011, 11:44am PST NEW
                            made thousands of posts there by userid 3164 03/02/2011, 2:47pm PST NEW
                                The complete discussion by Caltrops New Network 03/02/2011, 2:51pm PST NEW
                                    Christ. I'll fix formatting this weekend. NT by Caltrops New(s) Network 03/02/2011, 2:52pm PST NEW
    Officially deleted a second time by lifebaka++ 03/02/2011, 11:42am PST NEW
        This debacle makes me want to become a college professor by Fullofkittens 03/02/2011, 11:45am PST NEW
            This is my favorite FoK post NT by Entropy Stew 03/02/2011, 3:10pm PST NEW
        I guess we can propose a deletion review, on the ground they're full of shit. NT by Worm 03/02/2011, 11:46am PST NEW
            http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Deletion_review NT by lifebaka++ 03/02/2011, 12:16pm PST NEW
                Definitely bring it up there. by Mysterio 03/02/2011, 1:16pm PST NEW
    Aw, too bad, guys. You lose. by HalfShadow 03/02/2011, 12:14pm PST NEW
        You should start posting here. Maybe you won't get embarrassed off like on PoE by lifebaka++ 03/02/2011, 12:20pm PST NEW
        Re: Aw, too bad, guys. You lose. by Souffle of Pain 03/02/2011, 1:14pm PST NEW
        Re: Aw, too bad, guys. You lose. by Chet Faliszek 03/02/2011, 2:46pm PST NEW
        This guy was pretty pleased with himself for a while. by motherfuckerfoodeater 03/04/2011, 7:53pm PST NEW
        hee hee hee by Mysterio 05/27/2013, 9:14pm PDT NEW
    Hahaha I wasn't going to weigh in on this since the scales are tipped against OM by Rafiki 03/02/2011, 2:40pm PST NEW
        Hahaha I wasn't going to weigh in on this since the scales are tipped against OM by Mysterio 03/02/2011, 2:56pm PST NEW
            It's probably coming back tonight by Entropy Stew 03/02/2011, 3:59pm PST NEW
                This is the third time I've fucked up where I was intending to reply NT by Entropy Stew 03/02/2011, 4:00pm PST NEW
                Re: It's probably coming back tonight by motherfuckerfoodeater 03/02/2011, 6:04pm PST NEW
                    It's not coming back tonight, nor will it ever. by lifebaka++ 03/02/2011, 9:43pm PST NEW
        You also can't even use the page marked "Discussion" to discuss it. by Fussbett 03/02/2011, 3:25pm PST NEW
            The page and the edit war were deleted and renewed, making me look the fool >:( NT by Fussbett 03/02/2011, 4:47pm PST NEW
                I saw it when it was deleted. Unless that's not WP:NOTABLE enough, then you're f NT by Rafiki 03/02/2011, 5:37pm PST NEW
                More from Fussbett by Entropy Stew 03/02/2011, 5:45pm PST NEW
    RPS weighs in by Hans Clastorp 03/02/2011, 2:52pm PST NEW
        RPS is non-notable, sorry. Wake me up when Time magazine writes about OMM NT by lifebaka++ 03/02/2011, 3:06pm PST NEW
            Re: RPS is non-notable, sorry. Wake me up when Time magazine writes about OMM by .-. 03/02/2011, 3:33pm PST NEW
                Above post failed WP:SPELLING and will be deleted NT by lifebaka++ 03/02/2011, 3:42pm PST NEW
        I love you, john@rockpapershotgun.com NT by Entropy Stew 03/02/2011, 3:19pm PST NEW
            They'll probably deny this as a source since it's "original research" NT by Entropy Stew 03/02/2011, 3:29pm PST NEW
    Now he's gloating on the original deletion admin's page by Entropy Stew 03/02/2011, 4:54pm PST NEW
        This is my single favorite edit of the campaign by Entropy Stew 03/02/2011, 5:24pm PST NEW
    Undelete: DENIED by Entropy Stew 03/02/2011, 6:40pm PST NEW
        That's ok, we needed to by Ice Cream Jonsey 03/02/2011, 7:17pm PST NEW
            The next step by Entropy Stew 03/02/2011, 7:47pm PST NEW
                wow my heart just grew two sizes by up with pod people 03/03/2011, 9:11am PST NEW
                    My bitter heart expects them to be ignored, much as the RFD comments were NT by Entropy Stew 03/03/2011, 12:51pm PST NEW
                        YOU TURN THAT FROWN UPSIDE DOWN NT by up with pod people 03/03/2011, 1:33pm PST NEW
                            MY FROWN HAS BEEN OVERTURNED by Entropy Stew 03/03/2011, 2:34pm PST NEW
                                The bureaucracy of Wikipedia is funny. by Gutsby 03/03/2011, 2:37pm PST NEW
                                    Schumin certainly was ready to plant his barnstar all over that baka guy NT by Entropy Stew 03/03/2011, 2:41pm PST NEW
                                        I created the Old Man Murray article on Wikipedia. by Gutsby 03/03/2011, 2:47pm PST NEW
                                            Before, or just now? NT by Entropy Stew 03/03/2011, 3:03pm PST NEW
                                                Just now. Then it got hit by a deletion request, then that disappeared, by Gutsby 03/03/2011, 3:07pm PST NEW
                                                    The "PURGE THE XENOS" mentality is refreshing NT by Entropy Stew 03/03/2011, 3:09pm PST NEW
                                                        I guess wikipedia is all about passionate hate or clammy technocracy. NT by Gutsby 03/03/2011, 3:50pm PST NEW
        Well, I've looked at it again, as requested, and come to the same conclusion. by lifebaka++ 03/02/2011, 7:20pm PST NEW
            Re: Well, I've looked at it again, as requested, and come to the same conclu by Bananadine 03/03/2011, 8:30am PST NEW
        "Old Man Murray?" *covers mouthpiece* I read about it in TIME magazine NT by Hans Gruber 03/02/2011, 11:08pm PST NEW
    Cyber victory lap by Ben Schumin 03/02/2011, 7:35pm PST NEW
        You mean your first lap around anything ever? NT by Esperma de Mutante 03/02/2011, 8:02pm PST NEW
        Ben Schumin is never lacking for lap NT by *rimshot* 03/02/2011, 8:03pm PST NEW
        He's way smarter, but he has much less hair NT by WITTGENSTEIN 03/02/2011, 8:52pm PST NEW
        He refuses both to post here and dessert NT by Chester J. Hornswaggle 03/02/2011, 9:18pm PST NEW
            Re: He refuses both to post here and dessert by mouth-breathing knuckle-dragger 03/02/2011, 9:57pm PST NEW
    "Meatpuppets" are used to diss non-Wikis the way "muggles" are used in Harry Pot NT by Fussbett 03/02/2011, 10:02pm PST NEW
    DRAWING THE LINE by Worm 03/03/2011, 12:51am PST NEW
        Haha by Bill On A Car Phone in Taos 03/03/2011, 4:50am PST NEW
    Slashdotted! by Ice Cream Jonsey 03/03/2011, 8:28am PST NEW
        Slashdot still exists? by 1998 all over again 03/03/2011, 8:39am PST NEW
            Slashdot is still full of full-blown 'spergers. by Tyfus 03/03/2011, 9:05am PST NEW
        I'm still +5, Informative after all these years by Entropy Stew 03/03/2011, 11:35am PST NEW
    Same goddamn shirt, every picture by Chester J. Hornswaggle 03/03/2011, 12:22pm PST NEW
        Okay, what the fuck is up with his forehead by motherfuckerfoodeater 03/03/2011, 12:34pm PST NEW
            If you run it through a music box it plays the Krispy Kreme theme song NT by Chester J. Hornswaggle 03/03/2011, 12:37pm PST NEW
                Hahaha NT by Bill on a Car Phone in Vegas 03/04/2011, 10:41am PST NEW
            Scalp jowls. That, or all the wikipedia aministration stretched his head NT by Entropy Stew 03/03/2011, 12:57pm PST NEW
            acne forming in creases, I think NT by up with pod people 03/03/2011, 1:32pm PST NEW
                Poor man's Baron Harkonen. NT by motherfuckerfoodeater 03/03/2011, 2:09pm PST NEW
                    D8 by up with pod people 03/03/2011, 2:16pm PST NEW
                        At least he changed his shirt NT by Entropy Stew 03/03/2011, 2:35pm PST NEW
                            That makes it kind of flattering. Perhaps you can send it to him. by motherfuckerfoodeater 03/03/2011, 3:07pm PST NEW
                                I guess that makes HalfShadow his mentat by Entropy Stew 03/03/2011, 3:15pm PST NEW
                                He might even like it by Bananadine 03/03/2011, 3:15pm PST NEW
            Re: Okay, what the fuck is up with his forehead by Moog 03/04/2011, 11:04pm PST NEW
    Lifebaka retracted delete. Schumin drowns sorrows in a bucket of chicken NT by Chester J. Hornswaggle 03/03/2011, 2:33pm PST NEW
        Wikipedia caves. Again. NT by WITTGENSTEIN 03/03/2011, 2:54pm PST NEW
            Now to get the article on POE back online. by Tyfus 03/03/2011, 2:55pm PST NEW
                I called a guy "fag" on there once or twice. Can you cite that? NT by Entropy Stew 03/03/2011, 2:57pm PST NEW
                    Re: I called a guy "fag" on there once or twice. Can you cite that? by Ben Schumin 03/03/2011, 7:15pm PST NEW
                        We're not kids. You're not going to get much mileage out of that here. NT by motherfuckerfoodeater 03/03/2011, 7:26pm PST NEW
                            Ben shows up at your desk clutching two fan palms, fresh mousemat in his mouth. NT by Gutsby 03/03/2011, 7:40pm PST NEW
                                Re: Disgraced Klingon by Mysterio 03/08/2011, 7:42pm PST NEW
                                    What's wrong with his faaaaaace? NT by Entropy Stew 03/08/2011, 8:57pm PST NEW
                        Ben Schumin ate all the Food (and Water!) What happened to our Watch? NT by The Happiness Engine 03/03/2011, 8:14pm PST NEW
                        Glad he went to college for 4 years to become an office manager. What a schmuck NT by WITTGENSTEIN 03/04/2011, 2:59pm PST NEW
                            FIVE years NT by Don't trivialize his struggle 03/05/2011, 7:04pm PST NEW
                How can we start doing that? NT by Shredder 03/06/2011, 7:01pm PST NEW
                    If you really think it's worthwhile by motherfuckerfoodeater 03/06/2011, 8:57pm PST NEW
    I'm perfectly ok with this being frontpaged, btw. by laudablepuss 03/04/2011, 4:16pm PST NEW
        Re: I'm perfectly ok with this being frontpaged, btw. by Gay Dad 03/04/2011, 4:44pm PST NEW
    boingboing a little late to the party by up with pod people 03/04/2011, 4:40pm PST NEW
        Good. More pagerank for Kunta NT by Entropy Stew 03/04/2011, 7:40pm PST NEW
    In the final analysis, this thing kind of backfired on Schumin! NT by Fullofkittens 03/05/2011, 6:44am PST NEW
        how though by Bananadine 03/05/2011, 9:10am PST NEW
            Well. by Fullofkittens 03/05/2011, 9:41am PST NEW
            Re: how though by motherfuckerfoodeater 03/05/2011, 10:22am PST NEW
                Re: how though by Bananadine 03/05/2011, 10:36am PST NEW
                    Re: how though by Obnoxious Internet Coward 03/05/2011, 12:03pm PST NEW
                        You don't know many women NT by :( 03/05/2011, 6:56pm PST NEW
                    I TOTALLY got away with it by The Schuminator 03/05/2011, 6:03pm PST NEW
                        Integrated boxing gloves. Aha! That's why he loves Homestar Runner. by Eurotrash 03/06/2011, 2:12am PST NEW
            Re: how though by Obnoxious Internet Coward 03/06/2011, 1:15am PST NEW
        I don't think any of those guys quoted in the RPS article really give a fuck abo by ut OMM (with the exception of ICJ o 03/05/2011, 12:53pm PST NEW
            I think you're exaggerating wildly and in multiple oppos by ing directions even (but th 03/05/2011, 3:50pm PST NEW
                The best is yet to come:stay tuned by Gay Dad 03/05/2011, 6:00pm PST NEW
                    Haha the WP wagons are circling. Look the fuck out, RPS by That goes double for all you meatpu 03/05/2011, 10:57pm PST NEW
                    Signpost article by Entropy Stew 03/08/2011, 7:18am PST NEW
                        Re: Signpost article by Souffle of Pain 03/08/2011, 7:36am PST NEW
                        Ha ha by Tyfus 03/08/2011, 8:09am PST NEW
                            Re: Ha ha by Ice Cream Jonsey 03/08/2011, 9:41am PST NEW
            Yes, if only everyone just NT by stopped posting 03/06/2011, 2:09am PST NEW
            Jesus fuck INC, will you just put down the cameras down and go spring for a hand NT by job already? 03/08/2011, 2:56am PST NEW
            I'm really glad the OMM legacy and wiki entry is secure by Vested Id 03/15/2011, 11:40pm PDT NEW
    Re: Haha, that piece of shit Ben Schumin deleted the OMM Wikipedia page, too by Shredder 03/06/2011, 6:49pm PST NEW
    Schumin the Human Blob still just as reprehensible in defeat. by Souffle of Pain 03/14/2011, 9:55pm PDT NEW
        Jesus Christ man. We get it. Calm down. NT by Kenji Carter 03/14/2011, 10:24pm PDT NEW
            ... okay NT by Souffle of Pain 03/14/2011, 10:28pm PDT NEW
        incident / user:SchuminWeb - abuse of admin privileges by Souffle of Pain 03/16/2011, 10:43pm PDT NEW
            Re: incident / user:SchuminWeb - abuse of ham sandiwches by Entropy Stew 03/18/2011, 7:57am PDT NEW
        Re: Schumin the Human Blob still just as reprehensible in defeat. by skippy 03/25/2011, 4:03pm PDT NEW
            Holy out of nowhere. Is everyone on permalurk? by Entropy Stew 03/25/2011, 6:27pm PDT NEW
                Perma perma perma sperma. by skippy 03/26/2011, 4:02pm PDT NEW
                    just now saw this post by jeep 05/24/2013, 6:42pm PDT NEW
    okay by Ice Cream Jonsey 03/14/2011, 10:07pm PDT NEW
 
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