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by Bananadine 11/05/2010, 1:16pm PDT |
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Bananadine wrote:
Zsenitan wrote:
But Michel Foucault is relentlessly great. His is a superfluously powerful and sensual intellect. I remember the first time I read Foucault. I was shocked to the point of being aroused. Nothing straightens my boner out like a really smart person, and this was hands down the smartest and luxuriously wastefully sexual logic and rhetoric I had ever encountered, ever.
I geniunely dislike you, Jerry, so you should fuck right on off out of here posthaste. But everyone else should read Madness And Civilization.
Hm I have been meaning to read Foucault--I don't know much more about postmodernism than that everybody with opinions about these things seems to think it's important (while also hating it), and that Foucault has a lot to do with it, and that everybody with opinions about these things seems to love him. So his work seems like an interesting place to start. I think I will still be stubborn enough to attempt it, despite my complete failure to follow that quote.
I read this book... slowly. Many small pieces of it made some sense to me, but on the whole, I didn't understand it or any of its chapters. Then a lot of time passed and I got around to trying to post about it and couldn't think of anything decent to say. I was in this person's boat:
Amazon customer L. Troy Beals wrote:
I read this book for a philosophy of history class as a student at college. If you do not like philosophy and are easily distracted when reading mind-numbing abstractions then do not pick up this book. The thesis, or point, of the chapters are convoluted and seem to meander everywhere. I could read a chapter twice and still not have a clue what the author was saying. I can't comment on how persuasive his arguements are because I'm still not sure what he is saying. If you like philosophy then this book is for you becuase the author launches off into a universe of abstractions and shades that make one go insane, thus the title of his book.
So I put that off for a long while, and then finally I read the book again, slowly, and took notes as I read it. And for some reason it made sense that time. And now the part Zseni quotes previously in the thread is pretty easy to read (excepting the mysterious phrase "its very employment of the notion that designates") and I have trouble remembering how it was ever hard to read.
I didn't enjoy the book. I think this was partly because I couldn't read it smoothly. Even after I became able to basically follow it, it was still pretty rough going and I could only get through like one page per day. I wasn't qualified to appreciate any luxuriously wastefully sexual aspect of it--I felt like somebody mountainclimbing over what's supposed to be a series of ski slopes, or something.
I did not share Zseni's experience of being led gracefully into an inevitable conclusion. To my perception, the book presented some models for how the world has worked, and for how some people have thought it worked. And I seemed to understand most of the models--but I couldn't find any place in my own knowledge to usefully fit them. Every time he made a claim, I could only confirm that, as far as I knew, he might be right. I've never studied the stuff he talks about. As far as I know, most of the times when I couldn't follow him, it was because I wasn't familiar with the pieces of art, scholarship, or history he was referring to. And when I could follow what he was saying, I saw little to be excited about in the way he was saying it. I'm as curious now about postmodernism and Foucault's greatness as I was before.
Maybe this question will be useful: What claims in Madness and Civilization would you have disagreed with, Foucault-appreciating Caltrops reader, if Foucault hadn't convinced you to agree with them? |
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Yakov Smirnoff is the greatest postmodern philosopher alive by Mischief Maker 08/25/2008, 6:33am PDT 
This can also apply to ghost in the shell. NT by Creexuls, a monster >:3 08/25/2008, 6:51am PDT 
I've spent nearly THREE YEARS studying philosophy. QQQQQQQQQ NT by Jerry Whorebach 08/25/2008, 7:19am PDT 
How am I supposed to identify with characters who yell and dance and FUCK?! NT by Jerry Whorebach 08/25/2008, 7:31am PDT 
Psh you sure can't. 8( NT by Creexuls, a monster >:3 08/25/2008, 7:46am PDT 
OH GOD PLEASE SOMEONE POINT OUT IRONY *WEEPS AND CUTS ARMS WITH GLASS* by bdr 08/25/2008, 8:16am PDT 
How am I supposed to relate with a little fucking clipart man? by Worm 08/25/2008, 6:00pm PDT 
So I read this Baudrillard guy's book, apparently he's some kind of moron? by Jerry Whorebach 08/25/2008, 10:20am PDT 
A friend of mine goes to that school. NT by mark 08/25/2008, 10:49am PDT 
Post Modernist Erections. by Zsenitan 08/25/2008, 1:08pm PDT 
Hey guess who I can't read NT by Jerry Whorebach 08/25/2008, 2:03pm PDT 
Re: Post Modernist Erections. by Bananadine 08/25/2008, 3:42pm PDT 
Anyway I read this by Bananadine 11/05/2010, 1:16pm PDT 
Re: Anyway I read this by motherfuckerfoodeater 11/06/2010, 10:24am PDT 
Foucault, the Tim Buckly of his time by Weyoun Voidbringer 08/25/2008, 7:41pm PDT 
Nice blog entry. NT by Zsenitan 08/25/2008, 9:34pm PDT 
Stop being such a fag hag, Zseni. NT by It's embarrassing 08/26/2008, 7:52am PDT 
Re: Yakov Smirnoff is the greatest postmodern philosopher alive by motherfuckerfoodeater 08/25/2008, 12:11pm PDT 
I'm going with explicitly. NT by Fullofkittens 08/25/2008, 12:31pm PDT 
Well, someone is smarter and more honest than that Matthew clown. by motherfuckerfoodeater 08/25/2008, 4:01pm PDT 
THAT GUY'S AN ASSCLOWN ASSHAT READ MY DISSERTATION ON WHY MATRIX 2 IS GENIUS NT by Creexuls, a monster >:3 08/25/2008, 4:31pm PDT 
it's going to be a POST MODERN dissertation also by Weyoun Voidbringer 08/25/2008, 5:15pm PDT 
This is how people end up thinking v for vendetta was good. NT by Creexuls, a monster >:3 08/25/2008, 1:02pm PDT 
Oh, Jhoh, you always say the cleverest things. I love you. NT by Grumarkanbras 08/25/2008, 1:39pm PDT 
I understand post modern self important faggotry, it's still gay NT by Weyoun Voidbringer 08/25/2008, 2:30pm PDT 
I am totally asserting MY OWN IDENTITY! NT by Grumarkanbras 08/25/2008, 2:46pm PDT 
Also: FUCK HYPHENS! NT by Grumarkanbras 08/25/2008, 2:46pm PDT 
I am watching the other reviews he did now NT by Weyoun Voidbringer 08/25/2008, 4:37pm PDT 
This guy is making is uncool to hate the Matrix sequels. He's probably pro-Port NT by Fussbett 08/25/2008, 5:28pm PDT 
PRO SKUB ANTI SKUB NT by Weyoun Voidbringer 08/25/2008, 7:12pm PDT 
this is a really good takedown of the matrix movies (and post modern faggotry) by Weyoun Voidbringer 08/25/2008, 7:52pm PDT 
WRONG by Zsenitan 08/25/2008, 9:34pm PDT 
I guess I thought postmodernism was already over? by Fullofkittens 08/25/2008, 11:10pm PDT 
I am suspicious of your anti-Zizek stance. by motherfuckerfoodeater 08/25/2008, 11:13pm PDT 
I don't think that Zizek, like Baudrillard, is totally empty. Just unlikable. by Zsenitan 08/26/2008, 11:46am PDT 
HM YES INEXORABLE NT by Creexuls, a monster >:3 08/26/2008, 12:04pm PDT 
So you prefer French bombast to Slavic bombast? by motherfuckerfoodeater 08/26/2008, 5:20pm PDT 
Yes. NT by Zsenitan 08/26/2008, 5:45pm PDT 
I don't like the guy. I don't know why... it's just his tone, really. by Gutsby 08/26/2008, 6:48pm PDT 
She's awesomely named "ANALia" NT by Fussbett 08/26/2008, 7:24pm PDT 
HE DIDN'T DEFINE HIS TEEEEEEEERRRRRRRRRRMMMMMMMSSSSSSSS!!!!! NT by mark 08/25/2008, 9:07pm PDT 
Jso went from that dude's thing to this. by Creexuls, a monster >:3 08/26/2008, 5:17am PDT 
PS: Be sure to watch to the very last second. NT by Creexuls, a monster >:3 08/26/2008, 6:01am PDT 
I think he really nuked the fridge with that voodoo shark meme NT by Shark jumper 08/26/2008, 1:36pm PDT 
The first Youtube quotes a professor I had at my old university! Suck shit! NT by Quétinbec 08/26/2008, 5:22am PDT 
This guy's Lion King reviews are great also, Jso and I laughed our asses off. NT by Creexuls, a monster >:3 08/26/2008, 12:31pm PDT 
Also, THEY HAVE SENT THEIR ARMIES. MACHINES. UHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH NT by Creexuls, a monster >:3 08/26/2008, 1:14pm PDT 
Re: This guy's Lion King reviews are great also, Jso and I laughed our asses off by Mischief Maker 08/26/2008, 1:21pm PDT 
HE LOST A GIRLFRIEND OVER THAT ONE by Creexuls, a monster >:3 08/26/2008, 1:46pm PDT 
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