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Veronica: DELETED? by Senor Barborito MetaFilter Reporter 05/18/2010, 7:22pm PDT
So, about two years ago I hit OKCupid really heavily for a year and a half. Tons of dates, some morphed into fun but short-lived flings, and then a six month relationship, a couple more flings, and finally The One who I am moving in with in a couple months.

I'd like to think I understand the site and online dating pretty well at this point, so a few pointers:

People frequently stop mid-"conversation". It sucks, but it's part of the game. Usually it's either because they don't have time or they've found someone they're really into and are "done" with the site. The simple truth is that most people are completely self-involved and the moment their needs are filled, they could care less about actually following up with you. You and I might be exceptions to that rule, but it's how most people you encounter are going to operate.

Think of it this way: if they're that self-centered, you didn't want them anyway.

If, as I suspect, you're going for girls in their early/mid-twenties, this problem is going to be worse - they're bombarded with potential suitors, often to the tune of thirty per day (5-10 of whom are creepy older dudes), possibly higher in dense urban areas. Additionally, the stereotype about girls in this age range is true - to a large degree dating sites are a vehicle for filling their need for attention. That generalization about men being far less mature than women until age 20 is pretty spot-on, and the corollary about women being less mature until about age 28 is, well... often accurate. That won't apply to every individual, of course, and it's very important that you not use it as a reason to form a grudge against your target demographic, but it *is* a point to consider when dating online and I find it helps me not take things personally.

Brevity is key - not just of your initial contact (a 30% return rate is standard, 50% means you've got your game down, but don't kill yourself over short term dry spells), but also the duration of correspondence. Keep it to a few messages back and forth at best, and don't use IM - it's better to not walk into that first date with nothing to learn about the other person, or a ton of (inevitably) false preconceptions. Seal the deal early and meet the girl. Hi, how are you, I like this about you, hey thanks for the return compliment, would you be interested in coffee/ice cream/some other casual activity?

The "ice cream" there brings up an important point: learning to anticipate the person you're writing. Assessing people based upon their profiles is an acquired skill like any other. Some girls are going to be happy that you didn't waste their time and just asked them out to coffee in your initial email. Some are classier, more reserved, and you're going to need a couple emails before popping that question. Some girls are going to think you're an idiot to ask them out for ice cream, some will be thrilled. Dinner is almost universally a bad idea for the first meeting - it's a huge time commitment for someone they've never met. Once you've mastered this, you can expect 50-60% conversion of girls who reply to first dates.

Volume is key - send out a LOT of queries. At a 30% return rate, and a 20% overall conversion (initial letter -> actual date) rate, and with you being single, it's going to take a LOT of initial emails before your calendar is anywhere near full. Volume also helps prevent you from placing too much importance on any one person, and keeps you too overwhelmed to sit and fantasize about someone you've never met, which is Certain Doom.

I could go on, but those are the most important things I wish someone had told me early on. OH! DO NOT SEND REJECTIONS TO GIRLS WHO INITIATE. No matter how politely you word it, a significant minority will explode, flag your conversation, your account, whatever. Fortunately, if you were polite the mods will side with you and totally clean it up for you, but "hell hath no fury" is absolutely true. If a girl initiates and you aren't interested, DO NOT REPLY. I had to learn this the hard way, and the mods sided with me because my "rejection letter was nicer than most *acceptance* letters I've seen on this site", but trust me it's better if you don't go down that road at all.

Hope this helps.

posted by Ryvar at 7:38 AM on April 15 [19 favorites]


Plus a brush with moderation on the dating site.

http://ask.metafilter.com/151244/Where-have-web-manners-gone#2166911
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Veronica: DELETED? by Senor Barborito MetaFilter Reporter 05/18/2010, 7:22pm PDT NEW
    Q23-Style Analogies There by Souffle of Pain 05/18/2010, 8:09pm PDT NEW
    Re: Veronica: DELETED? by Jhoh Cause..... 2 05/18/2010, 8:23pm PDT NEW
        All that deleted website, and for what? Was it all just wasted time?? NT by Souffle of Pain 05/18/2010, 8:25pm PDT NEW
            YOU DON'T JUST TURN IT (a website) OFF NT by Jhoh Cause..... 2 05/18/2010, 8:42pm PDT NEW
        so if you reject a girl over interweb dating, they all flag your posts and accou NT by Sword of Justice 05/18/2010, 9:05pm PDT NEW
    Re: Veronica: DELETED? by VORPoster 05/18/2010, 8:27pm PDT NEW
    boy a lot of these people recieved "psycho crazy email replies" after rejections NT by Sword of Justice 05/18/2010, 9:11pm PDT NEW
    Re: Veronica: DELETED? by The Warezwolf 05/26/2010, 7:21am PDT NEW
        I think that one douche from mac hall is good pals let's ask him to ask sb. ^_^ by Jhoh Cause..... 2 05/26/2010, 8:00am PDT NEW
        Re: Veronica: DELETED? by Senor Barborito MetaFilter Reporter 05/26/2010, 1:57pm PDT NEW
            Divorced bipolar internet genius seeks Aryan ideal for endless blowjobs. NT by Lowered Expectations 05/26/2010, 2:22pm PDT NEW
            Awesome, awesomely repulsive. by mark 05/26/2010, 7:26pm PDT NEW
                He kicked her ass out yelling I MADE BIOSHOCK BITCH WHERE'S MY MEDS by Jhoh Cause..... 2 05/27/2010, 12:48am PDT NEW
                    hahah NT by Souffle of Pain 05/27/2010, 10:35am PDT NEW
                        Jso and I collaborated on that one. :3 NT by Jhoh Cause..... 2 05/27/2010, 11:01am PDT NEW
                            I've got something for you two to collaborate on NT by Road Beef 05/28/2010, 2:43pm PDT NEW
    Re: Veronica: DELETED? by Choson 05/27/2010, 5:55am PDT NEW
        Nobody here will ever get over any issues. by Arbiter 05/27/2010, 11:54am PDT NEW
            Oh boy one of these dumbs again. NT by Jhoh Cause..... 2 05/27/2010, 12:09pm PDT NEW
                Methinks the aspie doth protest too much NT by Snakespeare 05/27/2010, 12:56pm PDT NEW
                    You mean "Methinkssssss the asssssssssssssspie doth protesssssssssssssssssssssss NT by Snakespeare's pal, George Eel 05/27/2010, 1:10pm PDT NEW
                    You need a few hundred more grades in reading before you can match us. 8) NT by Jhoh Cause..... 2 05/27/2010, 1:43pm PDT NEW
                        If those grades are Fs, you are correct. NT by Snakespeare 05/27/2010, 3:28pm PDT NEW
                            Sorry but you already lost before anything was even said. 8) NT by Jhoh Cause..... 2 05/27/2010, 4:17pm PDT NEW
                                If what you are is winning, I'll take that loss gladly. NT by Snakespeare 05/28/2010, 1:36pm PDT NEW
                                    That's been pretty obvious for a couple days now, welcome on board. 8) NT by Jhoh Cause..... 2 05/28/2010, 1:44pm PDT NEW
                    ut o it just happened again now what are you gonna do shit just got reeol etc by Sword of Justice 05/27/2010, 2:49pm PDT NEW
        check out this moron who thinks it was actually "good advice" by Sword of Justice 05/27/2010, 2:45pm PDT NEW
            That's a pretty bipolar thing to say. Are you bipolar? NT by laudablepuss 05/27/2010, 4:44pm PDT NEW
                Jso didn't need further vindicating on this, but he says thanks anyway. :3 NT by Jhoh Cause..... 2 05/27/2010, 4:58pm PDT NEW
                    Do you guys cycle together or are you half a cycle apart? NT by laudablepuss 05/27/2010, 5:21pm PDT NEW
                        Did anyone else just picture the Cables on a tandem bicycle? :D <-- my face. NT by Fussbett 05/27/2010, 9:21pm PDT NEW
                            Singing Daisy Daisy give me your answer do. ^_^ by Jhoh Cause..... 2 05/28/2010, 3:46am PDT NEW
                                On the other hand, I have a tremendous singing voice. NT by laudablepuss 05/28/2010, 10:33am PDT NEW
                bipolar is usually pretty easy to understand, you must be extremely stupid by Sword of Justice 05/28/2010, 12:25am PDT NEW
                    Lithium can help, you should look into it. NT by laudablepuss 05/28/2010, 10:34am PDT NEW
                        ladbl still isn't catching on to what just happened. :( NT by Jhoh Cause..... 2 05/28/2010, 10:49am PDT NEW
        Re: Veronica: DELETED? by Noi Dau Don 05/27/2010, 11:46pm PDT NEW
            Defending sb is always a no win scenario. 8( by Jhoh Cause..... 2 05/28/2010, 3:57am PDT NEW
                I don't believe in the no-win scenario by Souffle of Pain 05/28/2010, 2:44pm PDT NEW
                    Re: I don't believe in the no-win scenario by laudablepuss 05/28/2010, 2:59pm PDT NEW
                    post logs or I will cry NT by Noi Dau Don 05/28/2010, 3:15pm PDT NEW
                    You deserve everything that's coming to you. 8) NT by Jhoh Cause..... 2 05/28/2010, 3:16pm PDT NEW
                    Loose Ends by Deputy Interim Administrator Moog 09/19/2010, 5:58pm PDT NEW
            Re: Veronica: DELETED? by Choson 05/28/2010, 11:39am PDT NEW
            INC really enjoyed the "classier" line too. by Fussbett 06/01/2010, 3:21am PDT NEW
                WHY ALL THE SB HATE HE'S OKAY by Jhoh Cause..... 2 06/01/2010, 11:46am PDT NEW
                    Who are you trying to troll here? Just curious. NT by laudablepuss 06/01/2010, 1:36pm PDT NEW
                        The hhhworld Manolo, and everything in it. 8( by Jhoh Cause..... 2 06/01/2010, 1:52pm PDT NEW
                            Okay. by laudablepuss 06/01/2010, 2:39pm PDT NEW
                                Now this is sad. :( NT by Jhoh Cause..... 2 06/01/2010, 3:40pm PDT NEW
                        wow that was amazingly easy NT by Sword of Justice 06/01/2010, 9:48pm PDT NEW
 
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