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Re: Oh bitch you did not just by Nomura Dau Don 03/20/2010, 6:13pm PDT
Ice Cream Jonsey wrote:

Nomura Dau Don wrote:

Anyway tl;dr - it's not popular for no reason, it's just popular for no good (i.e. legitimately gameplay-based) reason.


It would be nice to see an FF game with a non JRPG combat interface. I know this will never happen, but still. I yearn.


ICJ

I don't want to be the faglord who is proposing a solution to something that isn't actually a problem, but I will cheerfully spec out some FF battle systems (all of which are "JRPG" in the sense of "you must pick an action every turn from a menu, you have a party of 3-4 characters to manage while you do this.")

FF1-FF6: pick action per character, standard actions pretty much are "fight" "magic" "item" and sometimes "special character action." Character roles are fixed.

FF5 (and 4 also? can't remember. or is it 4 and not 5?) had a job system in which you could develop your characters into whatever roles you pleased, but it was best to pick an order and stick with it.


FF7+9: standard actions modified by what "materia" you had and how much you'd levelled it. In FF9, read "bits of outfit" for materia, and keep in mind that your character keeps a learned ability rather than losing it to materia tradeoff. The caveat: not everyone can use every ability. Character roles are semi-fixed, more in 7 than 9.

FF8: standard actions + extended abilities granted by levelling GF by fighting. GFs or summons in this game work like a combination of summons and materia in FF7.

FF8 is special for a number of reasons. One of these is that monsters are calibrated to your level, rather than there being level-specific monsters in various areas. It's also possible to play the entire game against level 1 monsters and just use the Triple Triad minigame to get all the shit you need to max out your guys once you get the Card abilities on Quezacoatl. I have in fact won the game this way so. Character roles are encouraged by stat development and Limit Breaks (i.e. what your character does when he or she goes super saiyan), but not specifically fixed

FFX: standard actions, except it's theoretically possible for everyone to learn every ability EXCEPT summoning - that's Yuna-exclusive - or overdrives, but those are basically interchangeable damage-dealers. The smart strategy in FFX is just to buff Yuna past all recognition since, once you get the Bahamut summon (and Anima if that's your thing), her summons get +stats for her stats. Has the best villain, since he's not wrong, he's just an asshole.

FFX2: why are you playing this? I hope because you like grinding. I'm always surprised when I go back and read my mostly positive review of this game, since it sucks balls. Anyway, it's another everyone can learn every action more or less, and character roles are interchangeable on the fly. That's pretty much the only good thing I can say about it now.

FF12: everyone can learn everything, char roles are encouraged by stat development but nothing else. Most interesting in this one: you can more or less program your characters to fight the battles themselves, or you can elect to control everyone if that's your deal. It sounds nicer than I can explain here - rather, it's very nice if you're someone who, like me, enjoys watching video games as much as playing them.

FF13: hybrid of FF12, FFX, FFX2 - sounds (and looks) more complicated than it is. Long story short: character roles are fixed but fixed within a scope (i.e. your character can be a fighter and a healer, a healer and a debuffer, a debuffer / fighter / tank, but cannot access all four available roles (damage dealer / buffer / debuffer / tank) nor all abilities within a role type. You the player control only the leader of your three-man party, the other two guys are AI controlled.
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Review Request: Shin Megami Tensai series in general by Mischief Maker 03/20/2010, 11:42am PDT NEW
    Hated Devil Survivor, I mean. NT by Mischief Maker 03/20/2010, 11:43am PDT NEW
    Spoony sort of reviewed them in some vlog entries. O_O NT by Jhoh Creexul (custom software) 03/20/2010, 12:04pm PDT NEW
    Ask Wromg NT by Fortinbras 03/20/2010, 12:05pm PDT NEW
    this review covers everything atlas has ever released by irony 03/20/2010, 12:07pm PDT NEW
    It was just a review in the forum by Worm 03/20/2010, 12:57pm PDT NEW
        Re: It was just a review in the forum by Fortinbras 03/20/2010, 10:50pm PDT NEW
    You will hate them by FABIO 03/20/2010, 3:33pm PDT NEW
        Re: You will hate them by Ice Cream Jonsey 03/20/2010, 3:43pm PDT NEW
            You haven't gotten to the soul-crushing grinding yet by FABIO 03/20/2010, 3:56pm PDT NEW
                I didn't even know people could be bad at RPGs ... stunning. NT by Worm 03/20/2010, 4:03pm PDT NEW
                    Well, what is your reaction to that?You're saying you didn't see the same thing? NT by Ice Cream Jonsey 03/20/2010, 4:40pm PDT NEW
                        I didn't, that's for sure by Lizard_King 03/20/2010, 9:10pm PDT NEW
                            Mischief Maker would hate it by FABIO 03/21/2010, 12:56am PDT NEW
                                Re: Mischief Maker would hate it by Lizard_King 03/21/2010, 8:12am PDT NEW
                                    Re: Mischief Maker would hate it by FABIO 03/21/2010, 8:28pm PDT NEW
                                        Re: Mischief Maker would hate it by Lizard_King 03/22/2010, 9:18pm PDT NEW
                                            Re: Mischief Maker would hate it by FABIO 03/23/2010, 8:18am PDT NEW
                                Re: Mischief Maker would hate it by Mischief Maker 03/23/2010, 12:33pm PDT NEW
                    thanks jsoh NT by FABIO 03/20/2010, 5:29pm PDT NEW
                        What? The bosses are pretty easy. by Worm 03/21/2010, 5:07am PDT NEW
                            Re: What? The bosses are pretty easy. by FABIO 03/21/2010, 8:40pm PDT NEW
                            re: plot by FABIO 03/21/2010, 8:56pm PDT NEW
                                That isn't what I said anyway. :( NT by laudablepuss 03/22/2010, 11:34am PDT NEW
                                Oh man two replies, how can I fucking contain myself? by Worm 03/22/2010, 2:00pm PDT NEW
                                    John was right. You do eat up shit =( NT by FABIO 03/23/2010, 8:20am PDT NEW
                                        Well it was no Bloodlines ~_~ NT by Worm 03/23/2010, 8:24am PDT NEW
                Re: You haven't gotten to the soul-crushing grinding yet by Ice Cream Jonsey 03/20/2010, 4:38pm PDT NEW
        As to why it's hugely popular... by FABIO 03/20/2010, 3:45pm PDT NEW
    Oh bitch you did not just by Nomura Dau Don 03/20/2010, 4:48pm PDT NEW
        Re: Oh bitch you did not just by Ice Cream Jonsey 03/20/2010, 5:03pm PDT NEW
            Re: Oh bitch you did not just by Nomura Dau Don 03/20/2010, 6:13pm PDT NEW
                In FF6 you learned magic from equipped Espers NT by Nou Doof Dong Ching Chong Wing Wong 03/20/2010, 7:16pm PDT NEW
                I played most of FF12 on autopilot gambits. by Jhoh Creexul (custom software) 03/21/2010, 12:08am PDT NEW
                FF2j and FF5 had job systems. by Worm 03/21/2010, 5:11am PDT NEW
    it counts as a review, and a comic strip about fursona 4 by irony 03/21/2010, 7:33pm PDT NEW
        ha ha, yup by FABIO 03/21/2010, 8:04pm PDT NEW
            DIDDLING YOUR SOUL CLIT by Entropy Stew 03/21/2010, 11:59pm PDT NEW
            It's certainly no Bloodlines, you got that right. NT by Charles Edwards 03/22/2010, 3:07pm PDT NEW
                Now I know how the Cables feel. Shattering sanities with one sentence. NT by FABIO 03/22/2010, 8:16pm PDT NEW
                    or getting trolled by an ICJ ator ... same difference, right? NT by Worm 03/22/2010, 8:44pm PDT NEW
        Re: it counts as a review, and a comic strip about fursona 4 by Ice Cream Jonsey 03/21/2010, 11:37pm PDT NEW
            it's already a worse game than gtavc NT by irony 03/22/2010, 4:28am PDT NEW
                Yes, but does it destroy lives like GTAVC? by Jerry Whorebach 03/22/2010, 6:35am PDT NEW
                    thanks for your insight fatso NT by nobody 03/22/2010, 10:30am PDT NEW
                        When nobody calls you a fatso, that means your diet is working 8) NT by Jerry Whorebach 03/22/2010, 11:03am PDT NEW
                            If you ain't fat and we're skinnier than you then we are also skinny. :3 by Jhoh Creexul (custom software) 03/22/2010, 2:32pm PDT NEW
                How? Does falling in water in P4 kill you and delete your save game? NT by Ice Cream Jonsey 03/22/2010, 9:01am PDT NEW
                    p4 doesn't even have water because weeaboos suck at video games NT by irony 03/22/2010, 5:16pm PDT NEW
                        In other words, yes. 8) NT by Jhoh Creexul (custom software) 03/22/2010, 5:24pm PDT NEW
                            it wasn't a yes or no question but that's because we have vision the rest of the NT by irony 03/22/2010, 5:27pm PDT NEW
                                Well the second part was yes or no, but it also answers the other question. O_O NT by Jhoh Creexul (custom software) 03/22/2010, 5:59pm PDT NEW
                                    Well the second part was yes or no, but it also answers the other question. O_O by Ice Cream Jonsey 03/23/2010, 10:36am PDT NEW
        Yeah, but that guy loved the game :( NT by Worm 03/22/2010, 2:02pm PDT NEW
 
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