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by Horrible Gelatinous Blob 01/18/2010, 10:13am PST |
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Jhoh Creexul (custom software) wrote:
And yes the Jimmy Norton opinion doesn't seem to be on youtube, and it's very much different because Norton is plain center and Oswalt is hard left. Also, Nortin actually is on Leno's show multiple times so his opinion can be flavored. Basically Jimmy's take is that the network fucked up with the deals and that Leno is taking a lot of the blame, and it's not Leno's fault or Conan's fault.
Patton Oswalt has been on Leno multiple times as well; more often than Jim Norton, actually.
Jeff Zucker and by extension NBC are in fact incompetent, but their main fault was lacking the backbone to do what needed to be done, one way or the other. Jay Leno could have taken the 12:35a slot and revived his comedic credibility if he wanted. He could have gone to ABC. He could have gone to Zucker in 2008 and told him that he changed his mind; that he wasn't ready to leave. He could have refused to give Conan The Tonight Show in the first place. No one held a gun to Leno's head and made him say that he wanted to retire and 17 years of hosting the show was enough. He wasn't threatened or cajoled or pressed into saying that for any reason. It wasn't about contract negotiations or money, because if it was about money he could have left in 2008 for ABC and made double what he was making as host of The Tonight Show. Jay wanted to be seen as the affable, friendly late night host who didn't mind sacrificing for the company. Like NBC itself, he wanted to have his cake and eat it too.
Plain and simple, Jay changed his mind. Which is fine, really. I don't fault him for changing his mind, and I don't fault him for wanting to keep hosting The Tonight Show. What I fault him for is not having the guts to say to NBC management that he wanted to stay at The Tonight Show and letting them use him to drive 10pm into the ground for five months, KNOWING FULL WELL that both the affiliates' local news and late night key demo ratings largely live and die by what's in the 10pm slot. He knew what would happen to Conan's ratings and he began to undermine Conan in the press less than three months in: as soon as he realized The Jay Leno Show wasn't going to work long term.
To say that it's not Leno's fault is to excuse his sycophancy and pathological passive-aggressiveness. Leno is the worst kind of company man: the kind who tries to pass off his own personal, completely unnecessary reprehensible actions as "just doing what the company wants." Leno's ambition won't destroy him in the same way it destroys politicians, but history won't be kind to him at all. You can make an argument that he won the show and Letterman lost it, but he genuinely stole The Tonight Show from Conan.
There's a saying that it's not "show personal," it's show business. This whole fiasco hasn't been business, though, and that's reflected in how quick and vehement the pro-Conan response has been and how galvanizing the topic is. It doesn't really matter at this point, though; Jay Leno getting what Jay Leno wants, and fuck anyone and everyone who's standing in the way: Conan, Andy, The Tonight Show staff and crew, the 18-49 demo. "Remember kids, you can do anything you want -- unless Jay Leno wants to do it too." |
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NBC wants Leno back to replace Conan. Wait, what? by Fortinbras 01/08/2010, 7:53am PST 
Ha ha! "Wait, what?" NT by Still fresh! Still fresh. 01/08/2010, 8:08am PST
Fagging out over nothing from Fortinbras is the new Cables having a shitfit over NT by Worm 01/08/2010, 8:23am PST
I am not a multiple-use name that anyone can adopt, Fortinbras. NT by Worm 01/08/2010, 8:26am PST
Watch it, buddy. NT by Worm 01/08/2010, 10:21am PST
IS EVERYBODY EXCEPT ME JUST FUCKING RETARDED TODAY OR WHAT NT by Fortinbras 01/08/2010, 11:40am PST
Yes. Everyone but you is only retarded today. NT by Your retardation is constant 01/08/2010, 12:41pm PST
this is what we in the operator community call red on red NT by irony 01/08/2010, 2:44pm PST
He stole the Tonight Show from Letterman and now he's stealing it from Conan. by Jerry Whorebach 01/10/2010, 10:09pm PST
1929 Dusenberg caught fire in NBC parking lot. Officer responding. by Burbank police scanners, in a month 01/17/2010, 1:16pm PST
NBC can eat a dick *invisible string dance* NT by Conan O'Brien 01/12/2010, 2:09pm PST
Patton Oswalt: Leno is Nixon by Horrible Gelatinous Blob 01/12/2010, 4:41pm PST
Hard words from the soft and pliable Kurt Cobain of comedy by Vested Id 01/12/2010, 5:30pm PST
When was the last time Patton Oswalt watched a talk show he wasn't a guest on? by Jerry Whorebach 01/12/2010, 5:44pm PST
It turns out I *was* missing the second coming of comedy, whatever that means! by Jerry Whorebach 01/13/2010, 12:02pm PST
NBC wants to cut the baby in half, Conan wants the baby to live even if he can't NT by have it, Leno wants the thigh meat 01/12/2010, 5:45pm PST
Removed already =( NT by Fortinbras 01/12/2010, 6:06pm PST
Re: Patton Oswalt: Leno is Nixon by E. L. Koba 01/15/2010, 5:16pm PST
Re: Patton Oswalt: Leno is Nixon by Noi Dau Don 01/15/2010, 6:22pm PST
Downfall (2004) by Fortinbras 01/15/2010, 6:54pm PST
You mean you guys haven't seen it? Tsk tsk NT by Eurotrash 01/15/2010, 10:28pm PST
Re: Patton Oswalt: Leno is Nixon by E. L. Koba 01/16/2010, 3:27pm PST
I just showed this to a guy who laughed so hard he almost blacked out. :3 by Noi Dau Don 01/15/2010, 10:53pm PST
that's pretty good but the subtitles shouldn't fade like that NT by irony 01/16/2010, 2:34am PST
Updated video. by Jhoh Creexul (custom software) 01/18/2010, 1:01am PST
I'm not wrong, my opinion is just a little flavored. NT by Like a Tic Tac. 01/18/2010, 3:33am PST
That's an interesting take. Completely wrongheaded, of course. by Horrible Gelatinous Blob 01/18/2010, 10:13am PST
Re: That's an interesting take. Completely wrongheaded, of course. by Choson 01/18/2010, 11:15am PST
Maybe he wasn't revolutionary, but he was a genuinely talented comedian by Horrible Gelatinous Blob 01/18/2010, 11:38am PST
(looks up from cleaning the smegma off of Leno's cock) Someone mention me? NT by Jerry Seinfeld 01/18/2010, 11:43am PST
Re: Maybe he wasn't revolutionary, but he was a genuinely talented comedian by E. L. Koba 01/18/2010, 12:14pm PST
"Hey, what nationality is the name Good WRENCH?" by Choson 01/18/2010, 1:59pm PST
Making fun of Native Americans. by Jhoh Creexul (custom software) 01/18/2010, 2:04pm PST
The biggest factor is that Norton I think is on the Leno payroll. O_O by Jhoh Creexul (custom software) 01/18/2010, 12:48pm PST
Came across this while trying to pinpoint exact moment Leno stopped being funny by Jerry Whorebach 01/18/2010, 1:16pm PST
This reminds me of Bush Derangement Syndrome by Vested Id 01/18/2010, 2:48pm PST
Did not show your work, failed to adequately support thesis: F by Horrible Gelatinous Blob 01/18/2010, 3:35pm PST
What the hell is this guy talking about? Is this Jeep? NT by No one else makes less sense 01/18/2010, 6:23pm PST
Re: What the hell is this guy talking about? Is this Jeep? by jeep 01/22/2010, 8:42pm PST
He's a rapist by Seanbaby 02/02/2010, 10:35am PST
Here's another rant from unfunny angry little man Jim Norton by Fussbett 01/18/2010, 4:02pm PST
Here's another rant from unfunny angry little man Jim Norton by Jhoh Creexul (custom software) 01/18/2010, 4:18pm PST
"He didn't go to college, right?" WELP I'm sold, GO TEAM IVORY TOWER! NT by [youtube id=pZ2fZH2XqNw&start=140] 01/18/2010, 4:24pm PST
When did that get added? Nice! NT by Fussbett 01/18/2010, 4:48pm PST
More Stern by Entropy Stew 01/20/2010, 5:39pm PST
Re: More Stern by Jhoh Creexul (custom software) 01/20/2010, 6:15pm PST
Looks like a Howard Stern/Opie and Anthony war is hotting up in this thread! by Fussbett 01/21/2010, 4:24am PST
It's an old war. by Jhoh Creexul (custom software) 01/21/2010, 6:15am PST
By letting Louis CK do all the heavy lifting, I take it. NT by Mischief Maker 01/21/2010, 8:16am PST
Yeah, is anyone watching the A&O videos? NT by Hollywood LIEberal Elite 01/21/2010, 10:59am PST
Here's another one. :3 by Jhoh Creexul (custom software) 01/21/2010, 11:10pm PST
It helps that they have Louis CK on their show. by Jhoh Creexul (custom software) 01/21/2010, 7:02pm PST
If Conan needs a huge cunt to fuck in his porn career, I'd like to throw in my h by Jay Leno 01/15/2010, 11:24am PST
For those looking to review their late night history by Vested Id 01/17/2010, 11:44pm PST
I loved seeing imwithcoco.jpg get slipped in to the bumpers Thurs night NT by Entropy Stew 01/18/2010, 10:24am PST
How is it Letterman can admit to adultery and come out smelling of roses... by Jerry Whorebach 01/19/2010, 10:49am PST
Because Letterman is funny? NT by Mischief Maker 01/19/2010, 11:14am PST
definitely not, VERY not NT by irony 01/19/2010, 2:00pm PST
Jerry Whorebach wasn't being serious. Here's my response though. by David Letterman 01/20/2010, 9:21am PST
He's like Nixon and Hitler combined (Nixler). NT by Jhoh Creexul (custom software) 01/19/2010, 2:55pm PST
175 PEOPLE WORK ON THE LENO SHOW?! NT by JESUS ScHRIUS ASISUDKF that's a lot 01/20/2010, 9:24am PST
To be fair, 125 of them work in the garage. by Jerry Whorebach 01/20/2010, 10:27am PST
Norm! by Entropy Stew 01/20/2010, 5:33pm PST
For our Canadian readers... by Jerry Whorebach 01/20/2010, 7:32pm PST
IMPORTANT: 2nd video in 1st link is Norm with Gordon Ramsay NT by Ray of Light 02/04/2010, 1:13am PST
OA on the Rosie thing about Leno. by Jhoh Creexul (custom software) 01/20/2010, 8:09pm PST
Part 2. by Jhoh Creexul (custom software) 01/21/2010, 2:23am PST
Here's 3 and 4. :3 by Jhoh Creexul (custom software) 01/21/2010, 6:23am PST
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