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Re: yes, they are all complex and flawed. by Fussbett 08/07/2009, 8:35am PDT
up with pod people wrote:

but you're taking my comment as though I diagrammed the characters and labelled Draper "antagonist." I merely recognize that he is no dashing heartthrob I wish I could meet; he is an attractive, beautifully described Bad Man who is best witnessed at a fictional distance. wouldn't want anyone to chalk up attraction to him as proof that chicks love jerks.

I'm taking your comment as though you called him a "villain", which is silly on a show like this. When you see Draper and Duck or Draper and Pete fight within the company do you view that as two evils clashing and hope they destroy each other so that Peggy can rise through the ranks even faster? More importantly, how many hit points do you think Don has?

We all know that women have rape fantasies and rape is still illegal so calm down, you don't have to go around telling everyone you disapprove of Don Draper. Go ahead and wish to meet him in the safety of your own head.

Don and Betty: the most interesting thing about them is not the soap opera you bristled about in the other forum. it is that when you scratch the surface they are flawlessly matched: she is his precise female counterpart. ...it's fascinating to see how different societal roles mold the 'same' person.

That's not very interesting, and I'm not even sure I'm that impressed with how similar they are despite your WASP checklist. Finally I don't get how societal roles mold the 'same' person, or what that means. You mean the societal roles of being a man or a woman in 1960-1962?

...and yet Betty is disdained and summons nowhere near the sympathy Don evokes, and it's not just because of lack of screen time.

The show put a lot of effort towards how Don became the broken person he is today, more than just peaks at his underside. It's what season 1 was entirely about, where season 2 focuses more on why Betty is sad: because of Don's cheating (and maybe emotional distance). But if Betty knew what the audience knows about Don, she would be more understanding, just as most of the audience is more understanding with Don (but not you). This is why Betty gets less sympathy in general, because we're rooting for Don in general.

it is also because he's a man who completely inhabits His World.

Don't quote whatever this is quoted from anymore. :(

to your question, I think of all the characters, the most "good" is Peggy. or Sal.

But but but how can they be good when Peggy had sex with an engaged/married man and hates/disowns her own bastard child, while Salvatore has roped in a young girl as his beard to ruin her life and live a lie with him? And Salvatore is gay.
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someone please post endless pics of Don Draper don't mind if I do by up with pod people 08/06/2009, 7:39am PDT NEW
    lord by up with pod people 08/06/2009, 8:51am PDT NEW
        Re: lord by Zsenitan 08/06/2009, 5:02pm PDT NEW
            one of the few villains I've found appealing. no apologies. NT by up with pod people 08/06/2009, 5:05pm PDT NEW
                Re: one of the few villains I've found appealing. no apologies. by Zsenitan 08/06/2009, 5:16pm PDT NEW
                    I meant Draper, but yeah, him too. except for the creepy incest. ;( NT by Quétinbec 08/06/2009, 7:16pm PDT NEW
                        (oops, I revealed that I like to troll QB!) NT by up with pod people 08/06/2009, 7:16pm PDT NEW
                            Yeah you really trolled the shit out of him with that fake author name NT by He almost replied to one 08/08/2009, 2:16am PDT NEW
                        I thought that Draper was Hiro Protagonist. "yeah, him too" is the worst kind of NT by Zsenitan 08/06/2009, 8:06pm PDT NEW
                            He is the protagonist but has flaws, so it's confusing for some people. NT by Fussbett 08/06/2009, 8:13pm PDT NEW
                                Oh like Nuada (he was totally right, he should have won.) NT by Zsenitan 08/06/2009, 8:14pm PDT NEW
                                beyond flaws! by up with pod people 08/06/2009, 8:20pm PDT NEW
                                    So who's the "good guy" on the show? Villain is a relative concept. NT by Fussbett 08/06/2009, 8:33pm PDT NEW
                                        yes, they are all complex and flawed. by up with pod people 08/06/2009, 9:08pm PDT NEW
                                            clarification: we DIG jerks NT by Tom Chick 08/07/2009, 6:38am PDT NEW
                                            Re: yes, they are all complex and flawed. by Fussbett 08/07/2009, 8:35am PDT NEW
                                                in which I am ornery and use the phrase "a man's world" again by up with pod people 08/12/2009, 11:06am PDT NEW
                                Vic Mackey kills cops, deals drugs........ and I think that's about it. O_O NT by Creexuls, a monster >:3 08/08/2009, 4:10pm PDT NEW
                            creepy incest seeeeriously soured me on him. I wanted to believe! NT by up with pod people 08/06/2009, 9:09pm PDT NEW
                    You really owe me for this by FABIO 08/06/2009, 9:39pm PDT NEW
                        Yes this is a truly great movie. by Zsenitan 08/06/2009, 9:44pm PDT NEW
                        *rapidly sources bittorrent* by up with pod people 08/06/2009, 9:58pm PDT NEW
                Haha villain. NT by Fussbett 08/06/2009, 6:37pm PDT NEW
                    The real villain is the backwards ass caveman 1960s. NT by laudablepuss 08/07/2009, 8:28am PDT NEW
                        laudablepuss, when was the last time I agreed with you? WELL IT'S HERE AGAIN NT by Fussbett 08/07/2009, 8:38am PDT NEW
    Re: someone please post endless pics of Don Draper don't mind if I do by Creexuls, a monster >:3 08/06/2009, 3:43pm PDT NEW
        IS THIS DON DRAPER? by Creexuls, a monster >:3 08/06/2009, 3:45pm PDT NEW
            Hmph, for someone who winced before she got slapped she's pretty surprised. NT by Fullofkittens 08/06/2009, 7:22pm PDT NEW
                Animated gifs always make that easier to notice. :( by Creexuls, a monster >:3 08/06/2009, 8:08pm PDT NEW
        if only a little fairy would post that after every QB post NT by up with pod people 08/06/2009, 4:53pm PDT NEW
            gruman NT by gruman 08/07/2009, 2:10am PDT NEW
 
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