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by Mischief Maker 05/21/2009, 5:53am PDT |
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I do so enjoy being completely lazy and irresponsible in the dead space between school and my next job and doing things like spending an entire day devouring a season of this show.
What a great fucking show
I liked:
The fact that unlike Star Trek, where everything revolved around Earth, the human race felt like just one species among many, complete with conflicts that they were completely left out of. Really, the only thing that made humanity special was that the good guys among them managed to create Babylon 5.
G'Kar being set up as the series' villain and turning out to be one of its most heroic characters in the end.
Londo being set up as the comic relief and turning out to be one of its most devious and dangerous characters in the end.
I was wery wery surprised to find out how awesome Walter Koenig can be.
On the same note, unlike Trek, they wisely dropped Ivanova's fake Russian accent in the first season.
The Sinclair arc. The Membari were really getting on my nerves with how tolkien-elf-perfect they were becoming. And the whole "we surrendered to earth because membari souls were being born into humans" explanation was too sachharine sweet for me to swallow. But then when it turns out Sinclair was their space-jesus, who set up their entire civilization. Awesome. Of course they surrendered, space-jesus just tried to ram their command ship!
The space battles! Did a single ship in this show have shield systems? No! Were the space battles a zillion times cooler as a result? Yes! Huge ships literally cutting each other in half with beam weapons? Awesome!
As I said before, unlike Deep Space 9, Babylon 5 was believable as a 5-mile long space station bustling with life.
The scene in the first season where a guy is in court suing a Sectoid for probing his grandfather.
The scene where Londo completely turns the tables on Mr. Morgan.
Even when they decided to get Star Trek-y with an alien-of-the-week filler episode, it was a good episode, like the gross spinal parasites who turn out to be benign, or the monk who is secretly a serial killer doesn't go on a rampage when his repressed memories are revealed, but instead pays penance for his crimes.
Everything had an air of moral uncertainty about it. Even right after finding out that a vorlon can make itself look like an angel Sheradon was skeptical about their intentions.
From the very first season on, my red shirt sensors were useless. Doesn't matter whether the character had their name in the title credits, or was an extra who I've never seen before, I couldn't predict who would live and who would die every episode.
Not only did it outdo Deep Space 9 at everything that show set out to do, it outdid Enterprise at everything that show intended to do!
What I didn't like:
The fucking retarded motivation behind the shadows and the vorlons. Why not add two more first ones, this one identifies as chaotic good, and this one identifies as lawful evil? Also features an appearance by captain "science fiction writer who doesn't really understand evolution." Besides the acting, the one thing Deep Space 9 had over this show was that the Dominion's had a decent motivation.
The magical old man who lived at the bottom of the pit bringing Sheridan back to life. Was there really no other way to get him out of that spot than Deus Ex Machina?
Aragorn McExtendostick. Fucking insufferable english prick. Let me quote some tennyson to you and then overtly explain that kosh was a reference to Merlin, in case you didn't catch that. Hey dumbass, maybe if you hadn't yanked Ivanova out from under the beam and moved her neck in every direction, her spinal injury wouldn't have proven fatal. And way to deprive the fleet of an entire White Star at the final battle. That certainly didn't add a few hundred to the casualty list.
Londo and G'Kar's transition from blood enemies to close friends seemed rather abrupt. I'm not talking about signing the mutual treaty, I mean slapping-each-other-on-the-shoulder buddies, like they were in the final episode of season 4. |
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there's no babylon 5 threads? :( NT by Weyoun Voidbringer 04/23/2009, 10:56pm PDT 
make it happen by up with pod people 04/23/2009, 11:40pm PDT
jMs NT by ugh 04/23/2009, 11:45pm PDT
oh right the comparison between those two, ok by Weyoun Voidbringer 04/24/2009, 2:29am PDT
oh man season 2 finale is great, so saying nothing. by up with pod people 04/24/2009, 9:27am PDT
john walker something... NT by Weyoun Voidbringer 04/24/2009, 2:22am PDT
Worth it if only for G'kar by Entropy Stew 04/24/2009, 4:07pm PDT
actually G'Kar and Londo are most realistic relationship on the show by up with pod people 04/24/2009, 4:26pm PDT
On you clowns' provenance I watched episode 1. by Zsenitan 04/25/2009, 7:46am PDT
it takes a sick amount of time to warm up by up with pod people 04/25/2009, 8:14am PDT
you just don't understand what it's like to have love in your life *PUFF PUFF* NT by Weyoun Voidbringer 04/25/2009, 1:12pm PDT
Sounds just like DS9. NT by Mischief Maker 04/27/2009, 10:56am PDT
So it's great then? ^_^ NT by Creexuls, a monster >:3 04/27/2009, 11:12am PDT
"Space station" is where the similarity ends by FABIO 04/27/2009, 3:27pm PDT
what? spirituality was at the basis of b5's entire plot, the whole souls bs by to your last point sir 04/27/2009, 4:53pm PDT
Also magical black guy who "evolves" into a space child. NT by Creexuls, a monster >:3 04/27/2009, 4:55pm PDT
In their defense, Babylon 5's Sinclair did that too NT by Fortinbras 04/28/2009, 6:17pm PDT
That was Babylon 5. NT by Creexuls, a monster >:3 04/28/2009, 6:43pm PDT
And not DS9. 8( NT by Creexuls, a monster >:3 04/28/2009, 6:45pm PDT
Maybe in the sense of debunking it by FABIO 04/27/2009, 5:41pm PDT
None of that stuff happened in DS9. NT by Creexuls, a monster >:3 04/27/2009, 5:42pm PDT
Let me refresh your memory by Mischief Maker 04/27/2009, 7:16pm PDT
Where's the predestination part? by Creexuls, a monster >:3 04/27/2009, 7:36pm PDT
Only I can punch Q NT by The Sisko 04/27/2009, 9:07pm PDT
the part where he is immaculately concieved is a bit annoying but oh well by Weyoun Voidbringer 04/28/2009, 4:36am PDT
It was weird seeing Brock Peters explain that an alien raeped him (well sort of) NT by Creexuls, a monster >:3 04/28/2009, 8:11am PDT
that wasn't CGI, asshole NT by it was just ray tracing on a 486 04/28/2009, 3:28pm PDT
Raytracing is excluded from CG now? Nerd bonus: Babylon 5 first used Amigas NT by Fussbett 04/28/2009, 4:27pm PDT
actually I think the cgi still holds up well (considering how bad it looked when by Weyoun Voidbringer 04/28/2009, 4:33pm PDT
plus, Airwolf had only 5 helicopter shots and 2 missle explosion shots NT by extra nerd bonus 04/28/2009, 4:46pm PDT
that's so sad fuck that show then NT by Weyoun Voidbringer 04/28/2009, 4:54pm PDT
Original Battlestar Galactica only had half a dozen combat shots NT by Nerd bailout 04/30/2009, 2:55pm PDT
That CG was expensive so they used it when needed instead of superfluously by Fortinbras 04/28/2009, 5:11pm PDT
and it was all lightwave. LIGHTWAVE! NT by up with pod people 04/28/2009, 5:29pm PDT
Good camera work, too by Entropy Stew 04/30/2009, 3:11pm PDT
NOW look who's psh'ing confused Matthew NT by FABIO 04/28/2009, 3:13am PDT
He wrote off most of season 7 as "ghosts and spirits" instead of established non NT by Creexuls, a monster >:3 04/28/2009, 8:09am PDT
I think you may have strategically blocked out the stupider parts of B5. by Jerry Whorebach 04/27/2009, 9:44pm PDT
The parts with women, yes you can block those out of any sci-fi show by FABIO 04/28/2009, 3:13am PDT
You speak lies. NT by Fortinbras 04/28/2009, 5:10am PDT
I think her character just wasn't very likable by Entropy Stew 04/28/2009, 8:29am PDT
No, claudia was the 2nd officer who posed naked for playboy. NT by Mischief Maker 04/28/2009, 8:36am PDT
Fact: Babylon 5's 5th season was shit Fact: Claudia Christian wasn't in the 5th NT by Fortinbras 04/28/2009, 12:21pm PDT
dude that wasn't because of -CC by up with pod people 04/28/2009, 4:18pm PDT
So you liked Lockley? Because I didn't NT by Fortinbras 04/28/2009, 5:04pm PDT
no love for lockley by up with pod people 04/28/2009, 5:14pm PDT
Re: no love for lockley by Entropy Stew 04/30/2009, 9:23am PDT
yes. by up with pod people 04/30/2009, 2:11pm PDT
When Harry met Sally 2257 by Fortinbras 05/01/2009, 1:12am PDT
goofball overload NT by Weyoun Voidbringer 05/01/2009, 6:25am PDT
Wow DS9 is great in comparison. NT by Creexuls, a monster >:3 05/01/2009, 10:31am PDT
Kira having Obrien's baby while Dukat had a secret Bajoran lover and Sisko's mot NT by Mischief Queller 05/01/2009, 10:42am PDT
Nana Visitor was pregnant in real life so they just worked that out. by Creexuls, a monster >:3 05/01/2009, 11:01am PDT
Just started watching it myself by Mischief Maker 04/30/2009, 11:38am PDT
What I got out of Babylon 5 that I didn't get out of Star Trek DS9 (until later) by Fortinbras 04/30/2009, 12:04pm PDT
Which was the last thing the show needed by FABIO 04/30/2009, 3:03pm PDT
I'm tired of people bad-mouthing DS9 in this thread. ICJ, please lock. by Horrible Gelatinous Blob 04/30/2009, 7:15pm PDT
Also ban certain people. O_O NT by Creexuls, a monster >:3 04/30/2009, 7:35pm PDT
DS9 is my favorite Trek series NT by Fortinbras 04/30/2009, 7:52pm PDT
It was a pretty awful show by FABIO 05/01/2009, 4:33am PDT
Listening to people badmouth DS9 is worse than Rape. NT by Mischief Queller 05/01/2009, 8:39am PDT
comparing things as being "worse than rape" is worse than rape NT by Weyoun Voidbringer 05/01/2009, 11:10am PDT
Beep! Beep! Beep! NT by The Rape Button 05/01/2009, 1:34pm PDT
Bop a loo la. NT by Creexuls, a monster >:3 05/01/2009, 1:39pm PDT
Another woman! Glad you finally see the pattern by FABIO 04/30/2009, 2:57pm PDT
JMS is on record as saying TS was technically a better actress than CC. by Jerry Whorebach 04/30/2009, 3:09pm PDT
Does he think Season 5 was his best work? Or at least above-average? by Fortinbras 04/30/2009, 3:23pm PDT
I haven't read his GEnie post history in a while, but as I recall... by Jerry Whorebach 04/30/2009, 6:16pm PDT
Highlights of Season 2: Finding out what a Vorlon looks like, orbital bombardmen by Fortinbras 05/01/2009, 11:40am PDT
OH. I can't even conceive of not liking her, so I substituted another actress to NT by make sense of the world. Entropy St 04/28/2009, 8:54pm PDT
Translation: Jewess NT by Jerry Whorebach 04/28/2009, 12:30pm PDT
Comes the Inquisitor was also really good by Entropy Stew 04/27/2009, 12:02pm PDT
David Jaffe. NT by Gutsby 04/27/2009, 1:04pm PDT
I thought you meant the (spoiler) by up with pod people 04/27/2009, 1:56pm PDT
No, that's right. My "and" did not imply ownership or something *waves* NT by Entropy Stew 04/27/2009, 2:29pm PDT
Babylon 5 begins when Bruce Boxleitner joins the cast so that's a waste of time NT by Fortinbras 04/27/2009, 10:36am PDT
Bruce Box Liker. ^_^ NT by Creexuls, a monster >:3 04/27/2009, 10:41am PDT
oh and londo's blaster is totally fucking sweet I wish he would fire it more oft NT by Weyoun Voidbringer 04/27/2009, 9:51am PDT
Also: Walter fucking Koenig NT by Fortinbras 04/30/2009, 8:37am PDT
oh god yes evil chekov by up with pod people 04/30/2009, 3:04pm PDT
This thread has been LOCKED, usr rqst HorrGelBlb NT by Evil Admin >:) 05/01/2009, 1:28pm PDT
No admin would ever admit to being evil. They would be self-righteous about it. NT by Mischief Queller 05/01/2009, 1:32pm PDT
Unless they were ROLEPLAYING as a character HEH. NT by Creexuls, a monster >:3 05/01/2009, 1:39pm PDT
in which case they would just end up acting really emofaggy and irritating NT by Weyoun Voidbringer 05/01/2009, 11:44pm PDT
So like normal then. 8( NT by Creexuls, a monster >:3 05/02/2009, 12:01am PDT
Holy Shit! This show is awesome! by Mischief Maker 05/13/2009, 4:06pm PDT
I thought the first season was pretty good by Weyoun Voidbringer 05/14/2009, 2:37am PDT
I think the first six episodes of Season 4 were weak and anti-climactic by Fortinbras 05/14/2009, 7:59am PDT
Re: Holy Shit! This show is awesome! by FABIO 05/16/2009, 6:18am PDT
The very fact that he's a commander (instead of a captain, like you'd expect) by is a ripoff. 05/16/2009, 7:28am PDT
Sisko was a captain. NT by Creexuls, a monster >:3 05/16/2009, 7:46am PDT
Sisko was only promoted to captain in the third season, after Babylon 5 added NT by a captain of their own. 05/16/2009, 9:29am PDT
And Sisko was the best captain. NT by Creexuls, a monster >:3 05/16/2009, 10:01am PDT
Third best, after Kirk and Picard. Do try to keep up. (pats autistic's head) NT by Cablebots 05/16/2009, 11:51am PDT
The difference between the three is marginal. Compared to Janeway/Archer though? NT by Fortinbras 05/16/2009, 2:14pm PDT
Before Kirk and Picard. ^_^ *pats armrest's head* NT by Creexuls, a monster >:3 05/16/2009, 6:54pm PDT
Aw, so cute. It thinks it's people! NT by Cablebots 05/16/2009, 7:06pm PDT
So what is the status on the existence of our souls? Do they exist? NT by Creexuls, a monster >:3 05/16/2009, 7:09pm PDT
let's ask a giant simpering bitch who we have trolled in the past what their opi NT by Weyoun Voidbringer 05/16/2009, 7:10pm PDT
Re: Holy Shit! This show is awesome! by Mischief Maker 05/18/2009, 7:02am PDT
finish season 4 NT by up with pod people 05/18/2009, 8:59am PDT
I concur. After that, at least watch the series finale, "Sleeping in Light". by Jerry Whorebach 05/18/2009, 9:13am PDT
Done! (with spoilers!) by Mischief Maker 05/21/2009, 5:53am PDT
Re: Done! (with spoilers!) by Fortinbras 05/22/2009, 10:07pm PDT
that was a really great episode also NT by Weyoun Voidbringer 05/22/2009, 10:08pm PDT
Did they ever go anywhere with the psychic rebellion? by FABIO 05/22/2009, 10:58pm PDT
Nope. by Fortinbras 05/22/2009, 11:04pm PDT
Re: Done! (with spoilers!) by FABIO 05/22/2009, 11:00pm PDT
"Technomage" NT by Fortinbras 05/22/2009, 11:03pm PDT
important first aid tip: do not move a victim of spinal injury, do not pick up p NT by Weyoun Voidbringer 05/27/2009, 7:44am PDT
It actually gets better after that, up until the end of season 4 by Fortinbras 05/18/2009, 10:44am PDT
so which order should I watch the B5 movies in? by Weyoun Voidbringer 05/15/2009, 7:03am PDT
reverse alphabetical order NT by gruman 05/15/2009, 8:24am PDT
this is a terrible post you should go back in time and delete it NT by Weyoun Voidbringer 05/16/2009, 7:08pm PDT
HURLRHRLURLRURLUR HOW DARE YOU I HATE YOU *seizure* NT by wromg or whoever who cares 05/16/2009, 7:10pm PDT
okay, now where is the delete button? NT by gruman in the past 05/16/2009, 7:28pm PDT
gruman NT by gruman 05/16/2009, 7:56pm PDT
SOMEONE forgot to code it in. O_O NT by Creexuls, a monster >:3 05/16/2009, 8:06pm PDT
still not here :( NT by gruman in the future 05/16/2009, 8:33pm PDT
gruman NT by gruman 05/16/2009, 8:45pm PDT
yeah so anyway I am halfway through season 4 by Weyoun Voidbringer 05/22/2009, 10:10pm PDT
so, I am at the end of season 4, should I stop watching now? NT by Weyoun Voidbringer 06/06/2009, 7:18pm PDT
No, you should finish the series, if only so you can bitch about it afterwards. NT by Jerry Whorebach 06/06/2009, 7:33pm PDT
there is wisdom in these words NT by up with pod people 06/06/2009, 7:40pm PDT
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