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Re: Laudablepuss has ruined our Nuggets conversation. Let's talk about pay. by Ice Cream Jonsey 04/10/2009, 11:58pm PDT
Quétinbec wrote:

It's fucked in the US. Pay them like they do in rugby: a small short-term base salary that reflects a player's relative worth, with the bulk of a player's money coming from win bonuses and revenue sharing.


I -- okay? I watched about a half-hour of rugby in Scotland with my friend's dad, because I showed up about an hour early for our date, because I'm a fucking retard who couldn't read a bus schedule. I could see getting into rugby. There were moments where the whole thing was very exciting, which I did not anticipate, even a little bit. It's unfortunate that our hatred of soccer has caused us to throw rugby in the pile of irrelevant sports, because it really is pretty cool.

I don't know if I want to advocate non-guaranteed contracts in the NBA on this Internet forum, because it wasn't like Kenyon Martin suddenly got a lot worse. It just wasn't a very good free agent crop that year, and the Nuggets gave a large contract (can't remember if it was max or not, I think it was a sign and trade?) to a guy they wouldn't have looked at twice in the average free agent market. I'm not sure if he could be really playing better than he is? It was just dumb to overpay for him, especially if it ultimately meant shipping other guys away in some small way.

(The Saints gave large, non-guaranteed contracts to their two defensive ends, and they both promptly stopped producing. So I dunno. Society has driven into me the fact that I am a socialist if I come out against guaranteed contracts, Quentin. It's not a - this isn't a good time to come out against such things in America, right now.) (And I mean, literally right now, since it is night and dark and the President will be out, thirsty.)


And in the rest of the world the worst team in a sport gets knocked out of the league and sent to the lower division until it gets its shit together. This system keeps teams like the Clippers from free-riding on the gate sales of successful visiting teams. Not only do you not do this in the US, but you reward teams for sucking by giving them a better a chance at a top draft pick! How well is that working for you?! How quickly would the Clippers and their players get their shit together if the consequence of being so shitty was getting knocked down to the NBDL?


You have to run the draft in that order, because it's a made-up system and not truly free market. If it were, the Grizzlies and Nets could simply say, "fuck this" and move to L.A., solving their revenue issues immediately. jeep had a good take on that very thing somewhere in the forum - there should be like five baseball teams in New York City if a lack of a salary cap is taken to its logical conclusion. The issue is that people despise New Yorkers, and if you're going to have five baseball teams there, the entire center of the sport collapses.

And I don't know, having the top pick in the draft worked out well for Cleveland! They turned it around after years of incompetence. I will be irate if James leaves Cleveland, however. I will be irate for the people of Cleveland, OH. Clevelanders have been getting fucked for years, and this was their big chance to finally enjoy something about sports, if not their lives. Denver also did well with an early selection that year, getting Carmelo Anthony at #3, after Detroit decided to select Darko at #2. I like the draft, in all sports except baseball, where the pseudo-concept of "slotting" has ripped it of all sense.


ICJ
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HEY LAUDABLE, ARE YOU AN ORTON FAN NOW HURF HURF SNARF by laudablepuss 04/03/2009, 3:23pm PDT NEW
    Re: HEY LAUDABLE, ARE YOU AN ORTON FAN NOW HURF HURF SNARF by Ice Cream Jonsey 04/03/2009, 4:38pm PDT NEW
    Also by Ice Cream Jonsey 04/06/2009, 3:40pm PDT NEW
        Talk about basketball. NT by Quétinbec 04/06/2009, 4:32pm PDT NEW
            Cavs in six. NT by Ice Cream Jonsey 04/06/2009, 4:35pm PDT NEW
                Talk about it passionately, please. NT by Quétinbec 04/06/2009, 6:34pm PDT NEW
                    And slower... a little slower... that's it, yeah, lays up with black men yeaaaah NT by Quétinbot 04/06/2009, 6:42pm PDT NEW
        I can't possibly think about this now. Or maybe ever. Perpetual headache >:[ NT by laudablepuss 04/07/2009, 9:36am PDT NEW
            ICJ, do you mourn the loss of Marcus Camby? NT by Quétinbec 04/07/2009, 3:35pm PDT NEW
                YES! What happened to him was bullshit. by Ice Cream Jonsey 04/07/2009, 4:46pm PDT NEW
                    Gasol will average 30 points against them in Camby's absence. It'll be their end NT by Quétinbec 04/08/2009, 5:33pm PDT NEW
                        The Nuggets could have Camby, Billups, & homecourt, and they still wouldn't win NT by Horrible Gelatinous Blob 04/08/2009, 8:39pm PDT NEW
                            They wouldn't lose so bad, though.They learnt nothing from their Mutumbo experie NT by Quétinbec 04/09/2009, 5:57pm PDT NEW
                                I can't believe you guys are talking about the Nuggets. :( NT by laudablepuss 04/09/2009, 7:30pm PDT NEW
                                    You can talk about them too if you like. Talk about K-Mart's contract. NT by Quétinbec 04/09/2009, 9:16pm PDT NEW
                                        laudable: K-Mart's contract actually makes living out here 0.001% worse.CONFIRM? NT by Ice Cream Jonsey 04/09/2009, 9:25pm PDT NEW
                                            What. NT by me. by laudablepuss 04/09/2009, 9:42pm PDT NEW
                    Laudablepuss has ruined our Nuggets conversation. Let's talk about pay. by Quétinbec 04/10/2009, 5:14pm PDT NEW
                        Re: Laudablepuss has ruined our Nuggets conversation. Let's talk about pay. by Ice Cream Jonsey 04/10/2009, 11:58pm PDT NEW
                            Has Cleveland recovered from losing Chet and Erik? NT by Caltrops Helpdesk 04/11/2009, 12:50am PDT NEW
                            Re: Laudablepuss has ruined our Nuggets conversation. Let's talk about pay. by Choson 04/11/2009, 7:16am PDT NEW
                                OMG a heel hook is a submission not a kick, OMG. NT by Fussbett 04/11/2009, 12:34pm PDT NEW
                                Whoops, misread it. by Choson 04/11/2009, 12:51pm PDT NEW
                                Hmmm... by Quétinbec 04/14/2009, 4:54pm PDT NEW
                            Re: Laudablepuss has ruined our Nuggets conversation. Let's talk about pay. by Quétinbec 04/14/2009, 4:43pm PDT NEW
                        Feature request: compose new message NT by laudablepuss 04/11/2009, 6:27am PDT NEW
 
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