Caltrops - Links 2003





	[quote name="Fullofkittens"][quote name="Bill Dungsroman"] Well, we all know what happened to OMM's "unmoderated" forums, don't we? That's a shitty example. And Kthor would prefer you didn't ignore him and the work he does for poe. He, uh, runs it, don't you know. He's just very good at it, you barely know he's there or moderating, which is the ideal for a mod. [/quote] See, as I read it, the people that "run" the site aren't moderators in the sense that he's describing. He's talking about users that eventually ascend to a higher state of forum grace because of their long history of posting. His argument (not mine) is that the forum software "needs" to have something built in so that BDR is explicitly more equal than FoK. I'm not bagging on KThor at all, he does a great job, and under his guidance, the forum gets on fine without any superusers. Besides the ones that, interestingly, pop up anyways with or without a "Magister mundi sum" dobber under their nick. Everybody here knows that in the game of War, BDR beats INC beats laudablepuss beats FoK, and why is that? This is why I think this forum would be interesting to guys like Mokie. [quote cite="BDR] Fuck Chet. Listen, nothing against him <I>per se</I>, but he's the absolute worst fucking example to bring up in discussions of rational site ops unless you need a bad example. Did you ever read all the posts on OMM, chronologically? I did. Comparing the days leading up to Black Thursday with any point in time prior, the differences are minor at best. Retards and regs mixing it up. The traffic in Rants decreased because of compulsive reappropriating of other forums (which Chet did not disapprove of - hence his pay-for-name bit as well as participating in NFL Blitz and others), that would be the only significant change. Chet's claim of the forums not being what he wanted was borne out of a spike in his nerve center (or his girlfriend's) that amplified his annoyance at OMMers who bitched at him in emails (a number which may only be as high as one - Vag, over that hosting bullshit). I guarantee you the shit he was getting from OMM prior to Black Thursday was significantly less than he got from say, Spanky and the Golden Age Boys (nothing against Spanky, BTW) when GA formed. We didn't kill OMM, it killed itself.[/quote] Umm, I think you're too blinded by the bitterness of your breakup with Chet to realize that you're not arguing anything against what I posted. What I was saying was that it was interesting, from a 'net sociology viewpoint, that Chet created a forum and the community organism that popped up was cohesive enough that <i>it didn't even die when he killed it</i>. I could really give a shit what his reasons were for shutting it down, if it had been me I wouldn't have waited as long as he did. Was he a bad op? I don't know, don't care, and it doesn't really matter in the context of this discussion, which is about the ascendance of group indentities that grow to live outside the scope of what they were initially intended to be. I didn't say "Good job for creating us, Grampa Chet!" I just said it was interesting. FoK[/quote]