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[quote name="Casual observer"]Now I have to wonder if they'll give the actress playing the mother of Terry(or is it the cutesy femininine i?) a cattle-prod to zap a groan out of her. Say you don't want to die, darling!--BZZZZAP!-- nnnGHUUAaah... Good girl! I don't really see the distance between our arguments, however. In essence, we agree that the surrounding factions outside the argument itself are just using these people like the tools they are for the benefit of their own discourse. I call them the fuckwits, you call them the religious right, but that's saying the same thing. One thing I do hope for is that you've got a clearer perspective of the outcome, which in retrospect I've got to admit might be closer to the truth. However, the general platitude is that the U.S. is not the place it used to be. In the meantime, while the media flaunts the ignorance of those on either side of the fence, uncomfortably trying not to call them jackasses, it's pretty scary stuff to watch.[/quote]