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	[quote name="Mysterio"][quote name="Arbit"][quote name="Mysterio"][quote name="Arbit"][quote name="Mysterio"][quote name="Arbit"]That's also why it's OK to abort babies conceived through rape, even though by their own logic they are slaying an innocent baby.[/quote] You don't actually know anything about the people you hold in such contempt, do you?[/quote] What additional background information do I need that will make that position logically consistent? I know there are hardliners that believe abortion should be illegal in all circumstances, but they are the minority.[/quote] Okay, fair enough. My contention is that what you term "hardliners" are a bigger percentage of the pro-life segment of our population than you seem to believe. Instead, the majority feel that abortion in a rape-induced pregnancy amounts to punishing the child for the actions of the father, and that the only possible exception to the no-abortion rule is a situation where the mother's life is in imminent danger (i.e. one of them is going to die either way, and somebody has to make a decision regarding which will live; an unenviable decision and one on which I think very few of even the hardest hardliners would pass judgment). Unfortunately, I have no citations for that at this time, and I'm not about to go searching for rape/abortion links at work, lunch break or no. If you have a neutral source that indicates most pro-lifers favor abortion in rape cases, I'll concede the point. If you prefer that I do the legwork myself--for the record, a completely justified position since I made the claim--I'll gladly do so after work. I would be genuinely interested in seeing any sources you may have that indicate a majority of pro-lifers favor abortion in cases of rape (as opposed to being willing to compromise and allow it if it means getting other abortions banned) (which is a whole 'nuther discussion in and of itself). [/quote] This was my general impression from first hand contact with pro-lifers and hearing news stories and such. See also the "personhood" bill that got shot down in Mississippi - one of the reasons it failed was there was no out for rape. I did a quick search and found that most polls lump rape, incest, and life-threatening circumstances into the same "special circumstances" category.[/quote] I had a hard time finding what I would consider relatively neutral sources that differentiated between those subdivisions as well. I did run across a single, older CBS poll from 2007 that claimed 54% of the population were pro-life, broken down as 34% in favor of abortion only in the case of rape, incest, etc. 16% in favor of abortion only to save a woman's life, and 4% opposing abortion in all circumstances. Point to you--I had thought the 34% and 16% numbers were the reverse. You were also right in the "hardliners" favoring abortion under all circumstances--I have a hard time imagining a father choosing an unborn baby over the mother in such a emotional situation. I humbly apologize for my earlier remark--I incorrectly interpreted your comment about hardliners as referring to the above 16% which, while not the majority, is a significant chunk of the population; hardly a fringe element. You clearly said above that the hardliners "believe abortion should be illegal in all circumstances" and your original post obviously referred to the majority of pro-lifers, which I had reversed with the 16%. What can I say--I blame my reading comprehension skills on the public education system. :) Regardless, my apology is sincere. In regards to the Personhood bill...I'll freely admit that what I know about it is only what I read in newsbytes, but weren't the majority of its opponents focused on things like its potential effect on birth control, in vitro fertilization, and other possible unintended outcomes? That's what I remember reading at HuffPo, Salon, and other news sites, anyway.[/quote]