Caltrops - Biohazard: Code Veronica





	[quote name="Fussbett"][quote]No, but your mercurial deletions and fairly anti-humor stance even off AskMe (see the thread about you deleting a ton of comments in that one MeTa thread) have created the exact same 'chilling effect' atmosphere. To be completely frank, the way you wield power scares me far worse than any of the #mefi ops ever did. "[/quote] <font color="pink">Sanitario666:</font> How can you type that without your head exploding? <font color="pink">Sanitario666:</font> How dare the MeFi mod delete posts. What an animal. It's good that you've taken up the fight against that. <font color="yellow">Senor Barborito:</font> I don't think you really want an answer from me on that question <font color="yellow">Senor Barborito:</font> But, put simply: Matt is doing the exact same thing I was 18 months ago on Caltrops. "Disappearing" posts for reasons that change constantly, weird and inconsistent bannings, editing posts of other people, and responding badly to a small group of users hellbent on make his life hard. <font color="yellow">Senor Barborito:</font> I don't want to see him ending things the way I did on Caltrops. <font color="yellow">Senor Barborito:</font> You know how you wish you could go back and time and stop yourself from making all those stupid mistakes you made? <font color="yellow">Senor Barborito:</font> Same thing. <font color="pink">Sanitario666:</font> So you see yourself as an expert on being a bad admin. <font color="yellow">Senor Barborito:</font> I've made some horrible, horrible decisions. I was a fucking idiot. <font color="yellow">Senor Barborito:</font> I see someone else making those same exact decisions now. <font color="pink">Sanitario666:</font> Like when the people have a lot of fun in their youth and then become a born again christian, stopping everyone else from having a good time. <font color="yellow">Senor Barborito:</font> Wait, what? <font color="yellow">Senor Barborito:</font> Oh, you're saying I'm like one of those? Yeah, I totally was. <font color="yellow">Senor Barborito:</font> Matt seems to think that if he removes #mefi the people giving him problems will just magically cease to exist. <font color="yellow">Senor Barborito:</font> This is the EXACT same utterly, utterly stupid reasoning I was using in the way I handled Caltrops. <font color="yellow">Senor Barborito:</font> Those people aren't going away, and this being the Internet he can't keep them out anymore than I could Zseni. <font color="yellow">Senor Barborito:</font> If anything pulling #mefi will make them give him MORE problems. You, INC, Zseni and Creex all proved this to me. <font color="yellow">Senor Barborito:</font> So I'm trying to point this out to him, because I have made the exact same stupid mistake he is making now. <font color="yellow">Senor Barborito:</font> I suppose from your viewpoint it's fucking hilarious that I've morphed into some unfunny version of INC for Metafilter. But hell, he was right, I was wrong - I accept that fact. So I'm trying to make sure Matt doesn't make the mistakes I did. What else am I supposed to do? <font color="pink">Sanitario666:</font> No, you're not an unfunny INC, because INC wasn't a hypocrite while trolling. <font color="yellow">Senor Barborito:</font> I've fully disclosed my past on Metatalk, you'll notice <font color="yellow">Senor Barborito:</font> And I've made it clear that I'm writing any of that because I see Matt making mistakes I did. <font color="yellow">Senor Barborito:</font> I'm not trying to cover up the fact that I have done a lot of stupid shit. I've been upfront about it. <font color="yellow">Senor Barborito:</font> What would you have me say? "Oh yeah, I've done the same exact stuff you're doing now, and it didn't work out for me so that means I'm totally unqualified to suggest you stop?" <font color="pink">Sanitario666:</font> No, just say nothing, because you're a non-authority on running a website. You're the worst website runner possible. As such, you shouldn't be giving advice on running a website to anyone. <font color="pink">Sanitario666:</font> Unless someone wants to delete their website. <font color="pink">Sanitario666:</font> Then, you're a great resource. <font color="yellow">Senor Barborito:</font> I did a lot more stupid shit than delete the website <font color="yellow">Senor Barborito:</font> A whole hell of a lot more. <font color="yellow">Senor Barborito:</font> All of it backfired. Horribly. <font color="yellow">Senor Barborito:</font> I think that qualifies me to say "I once tried what you're doing and it didn't turn out so well." <font color="yellow">Senor Barborito:</font> Also, I find it more than a little hypocritical on your part to just say nothing. <font color="yellow">Senor Barborito:</font> You know how it was really really fucking stupid of me to want you to just stop existing, at all, forever? <font color="yellow">Senor Barborito:</font> Wanting me to just stop existing, at all, forever, isn't really that different. <font color="yellow">Senor Barborito:</font> Sorry, should have read "I find it more than a little hypocritical on your part to suggest I just say nothing." <font color="yellow">Senor Barborito:</font> I mean, who the fuck do you think you are? Senor Barborito? <font color="pink">Sanitario666:</font> No, it's not hypocritcal. I get to criticize the admin of my website because I didn't delete 10,000 posts. <font color="pink">Sanitario666:</font> I make posts. I have a positive post ratio. <font color="yellow">Senor Barborito:</font> Yeah, well, I get to criticize the admin of my website because I tried wishing people out of existence and that didn't go so well, and now he's doing the exact same thing. Do you honestly think it will go better for him? <font color="yellow">Senor Barborito:</font> I mean, just as an aside - do you honestly agree with Matt deleting 30 jokes because he wanted his post to be at the top of a thread? Deleting someone's post and then locking the resulting question about why he did that so that nobody can get a word in edgewise? <font color="yellow">Senor Barborito:</font> Do you agree with him threatening to pull the plug on the chat server entirely - WHICH IS NOT MUCH DIFFERENT THAN DELETING A WEBSITE - because he wants the people on it to not exist? <font color="yellow">Senor Barborito:</font> I think, given absolutely everything I've ever heard you say, that you'd generally think that kind of behavior is stupid. <font color="yellow">Senor Barborito:</font> He even complains that we're costing him $100/mo for the chat server. Sound familiar at all? <font color="pink">Sanitario666:</font> Of course I'd like posts to not be deleted whenever possible, but I don't care about the mefi situation. I just wanted to see how you rationalize your rhetoric with your real world actions. And you answered that you've seen the error of your ways and are reprenting through recruitment. Ok. <font color="pink">Sanitario666:</font> Now you say that ceasing to support a chat server is akin to deleting tens of thousands of posts. <font color="pink">Sanitario666:</font> Which is of course not even remotely similar. <font color="yellow">Senor Barborito:</font> Pulling the plug on someone's community is pulling the plug on someone's community <font color="pink">Sanitario666:</font> Wrong, stupid. <font color="pink">Sanitario666:</font> A chat server is a service. Posts are content. <font color="yellow">Senor Barborito:</font> I suppose there's something to that. <font color="pink">Sanitario666:</font> You can start a different server tomorrow, but those posts, our work, is gone forever. <font color="yellow">Senor Barborito:</font> Yeah. I know.[/quote]