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by Monty Cantsin 02/25/2003, 1:40am PST |
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Senor Barborito wrote:
FoK wrote:
Sacrifice is the scissors-paper-rockinest game of all time, but that doesn't mean it doesn't kick boulder-throwing, magma-spewing ass.
I'll say it again for him more slowly: rock/paper/scissors turns it into a clickfest where you just respond to whatever your enemy is throwing at you with the correct rock, paper, and/scissor. There's no tactics involved it's just a huge clicky-clicky-Korean-tricky fucking clickfest. BUILD BUILD BUILD BUILD OK GO ATTACK THE CENTER.
Over and over again on and on. TANK RUSH! ANTI-TANK CLICKING! ANTI-ANTI-TANK CLICKING! TANK RUSH!
IT NEVER FUCKING STOPS AND THERE IS NO STRATEGY LEFT IN A GENRE WHOSE NAME ENDS IN 'STRATEGY'
What the FUCK is wrong with this picture, Forrest?
Total Annihilation had actual strategy. Total War has, due to elevation and morale in the battles, a small measure of strategy. C&C 1 HAD STRATEGY - the bases were powerful enough to take nearly anything when properly setup and the trick was to use one of a dozen different gambits to sneak through or break down the defenses. Mass tank rush? Engineers in an APC? Tank rush the SAMS and chopper in the engies?
The possibilities were AWESOME and you time to think it out, and it wasn't terribly rock-paper-scissors. There was no cure whatsoever for the mammoth tank.
Myth had tons of strategy thanks to the dwarves.
There is a serious fucking mental illness either in developers or in gamers that all they really want & make is clicky-clicky-Korean-tricky. Or Progres^H^H^H^H Everquest. Somewhere something huge went wrong and it needs to be fixed. GTA3? Part of the cure for this fucking bullshit narrative-on-rails FPS 'gaming' we have today. Morrowind? Same.
Fuck publishers, fuck developers, and FUCK YOU ALL, GAMERS for buying into this pandering bullshit that's flying off the fucking shelves these days. I swear to God I will kill you all.
--SB
First of all, as FoK has pointed out, iterated rock/paper/scissors isn't nearly as trivial as it's cracked up to be. Ask the tiltboys or the guy that programmed Iocaine Powder. If you're looking for a game to signify trivial I suggest you use Tic Tac Toe which, as even Matthew Broderick knows, is just fucking broken.
But I love how "Korean" has become shorthand for "mindless" in the context of real-time strategy. Interesting that I've never heard anyone complain about "mindless" Koreans being too easy to beat. No, somehow their trivial, predictable, repetitive, so-simple-a-monkey-could-do-it strategies have magically "broken" the game is such a way that occidental crybabies all over the world are no longer capable of playing it. Not because they couldn't if they wanted to, oh no. It's because the game is no longer fun. Yeah, well guess what? Playing tennis against Pete Sampras is also not going to be fun. Because while you're modelling shins Pete Sampras is hitting balls, while you're arguing politics Sampras is hitting balls, while you're sleeping late he's hitting balls, while you're idly picking at a piece of dead skin on the back of your neck and wondering what to have for dinner he's on the fucking tennis court hitting goddamn balls. This is how you get good at a fucking game in case you haven't noticed - you figure out what you have to do to win and you do it.
Any game played at a high enough level is going to be boring to a patzer, which is what these whining douchebags are. Boo hoo! He beat me by hitting the ball to a place I can't reach over and over again. How is that fun? Maybe if you could figure out how to return a fucking serve the game wouldn't appear to be so "broken". Hitting the ball hard isn't the point of tennis, it's the point at which tennis begins. If you're playing someone who can hit hard then being able to hit hard is the entry fee you have to muster before the actual game, the deep game, the interesting high-level game even starts. In an RTS, clicking fast and knowing what beats what is the exact same thing.
Jesus, who complains about clicking in a computer game for godsake? Do you complain about button pushing in Virtual Fighter? Aw, he just pushed the buttons faster than me. Yeah, well sort of, I guess. Awww, he knows the combos, he knocked me down and took the football, he memorized the dictionary, he studied openings, he bet more than I could afford, he practiced, he worked, he won.
Let me let all you rts-dilettante, Korean-hating motherfuckers in on a little secret: you weren't out-clicked, you were out-played. You don't have to like it, but please shut up about it.
/mc
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Why I hate RTS and how to make the greatest one EVAR by Tom-Foolery Constructor 02/21/2003, 2:29pm PST 
Re: Why I hate RTS and how to make the greatest one EVAR by FABIO 02/21/2003, 7:23pm PST
What's wrong with rock/paper/scissors? by FoK 02/23/2003, 9:37pm PST
Re: What's wrong with rock/paper/scissors? by FABIO 02/23/2003, 11:01pm PST
Re: What's wrong with rock/paper/scissors? by fok 02/23/2003, 11:11pm PST
Did you even read the initial post? by Senor Barborito 02/23/2003, 11:10pm PST
Yeah... by fok 02/24/2003, 12:57am PST
you just rebuted yourself by FABIO 02/24/2003, 10:04am PST
I think it was pretty obvious what I was saying, dumbass by Senor Barborito 02/24/2003, 10:17am PST
Willful Misunderstanding by Mr. Palomar 02/24/2003, 12:39pm PST
Re: I think it was pretty obvious what I was saying, dumbass by FABIO 02/24/2003, 2:24pm PST
Re: I think it was pretty obvious what I was saying, dumbass by FABIO 02/24/2003, 2:26pm PST
I did answer you, dumbass. Christ you're thick. by Senor Barborito 02/24/2003, 11:38pm PST
Re: I did answer you, dumbass. Christ you're thick. by FABIO 02/25/2003, 10:56am PST
Re: I did answer you, dumbass. Christ you're thick. by Senor Barborito 02/25/2003, 7:16pm PST
Fixed quotes. And hopefully clarified for the final time here. by Senor Barborito 02/25/2003, 7:24pm PST
JU-LIE! JU-LIE! JU-LIE! -nt- by Bill Dungsroman 02/26/2003, 5:21pm PST
Re: JU-LIE! JU-LIE! JU-LIE! -nt- by FABIO 02/26/2003, 9:24pm PST
Re: I think it was pretty obvious what I was saying, dumbass by Ice Cream Jonsey 02/24/2003, 3:25pm PST
RE: I think it was pretty obvious what I was saying, dumbass by Alternate789 02/24/2003, 4:16pm PST
Re: I think it was pretty obvious what I was saying, dumbass by curst 02/24/2003, 11:16pm PST
Re: Did you even read the initial post? by Monty Cantsin 02/25/2003, 1:40am PST
That was easily the stupidest thing you have ever written by Senor Barborito 02/25/2003, 2:16am PST
Re: That was easily the stupidest thing you have ever written by Zseni 02/25/2003, 2:35am PST
Koreans: fast index fingers? by Fussbett 02/25/2003, 4:17am PST
No, fast min-max by Senor Barborito 02/25/2003, 7:22am PST
Re: No, fast min-max by ValiumAddict 02/25/2003, 3:39pm PST
Re: No, fast min-max by TehFieryBalrog 07/05/2007, 9:36pm PDT
Re: That was easily the stupidest thing you have ever written by Monty Cantsin 02/25/2003, 4:44pm PST
Re: Did you even read the initial post? by Zseni 02/25/2003, 2:26am PST
Re: Did you even read the initial post? by Monty Cantsin 02/25/2003, 4:20pm PST
Re: Did you even read the initial post? by Zseni 02/25/2003, 5:28pm PST
Queneau plays Black and White by Mr. Palomar 02/25/2003, 5:59pm PST
Re: Did you even read the initial post? by Monty Cantsin 02/25/2003, 7:35pm PST
Re: Did you even read the initial post? by TehFieryBalrog 07/05/2007, 9:40pm PDT
If you're going to respond to 2003 you could get the title right. NT by Soul Calibur 07/05/2007, 9:42pm PDT
Re: Did you even read the initial post? by Ray, of Light 02/25/2003, 3:39am PST
I used to win money playing Quake regularly by Senor Barborito 02/25/2003, 7:41am PST
"See, I'm really good a video games!" by Irritating kid 02/25/2003, 9:20am PST
Re: "See, I'm really good a video games!" by FABIO 02/25/2003, 11:55am PST
Hey, that's my line. by Fussbett 02/25/2003, 4:06pm PST
Video Games, Chess, and Laziness. by mrs. johnson 02/25/2003, 4:40pm PST
Yes, exactly. by Senor Barborito 02/25/2003, 7:29pm PST
Re: Yes, exactly. by mark 02/25/2003, 8:36pm PST
This argument is pretty much over by now, right? by Bodybag 02/25/2003, 9:08pm PST
There isn't one strategy for chess that will always win NT by Senor Barborito 02/25/2003, 11:49pm PST
that's guy's a fucking crackpot by FABIO 02/25/2003, 6:35pm PST
I don't know about suspense games, but much of his strategy talk is dead on-nt- by mark 02/25/2003, 6:51pm PST
it's all DePalma's fault by jeep 02/25/2003, 7:45pm PST
Re: it's all DePalma's fault by FABIO 02/25/2003, 10:44pm PST
Re: "See, I'm really good a video games!" by TehFieryBalrog 07/05/2007, 9:43pm PDT
This guy is new and already knows SB was crazy and Zseni is bad at everything by Flavilio 07/06/2007, 12:10am PDT
Battlenet screenname is Balrog200 or soapie on USEast, channel scu NT by TehFieryBalrog 07/07/2007, 12:32am PDT
alternatively aim screenname is balrog36 NT by TehFieryBalrog 07/07/2007, 12:47am PDT
^^^ This guy loves balrogs. NT by Any and all balrogs. 07/07/2007, 2:57am PDT
Re: Did you even read the initial post? by Monty Cantsin 02/25/2003, 5:03pm PST
You CAN turtle in RA2+YR by Bodybag 02/25/2003, 6:57pm PST
Re: You CAN turtle in RA2+YR by jeep 02/25/2003, 7:51pm PST
Re: You CAN turtle in RA2+YR by Bodybag 02/25/2003, 8:17pm PST
Re: Did you even read the initial post? by Ray, of Light 02/25/2003, 8:00pm PST
StarScripts are tomorrow's Blueprints by Fussbett 10/30/2006, 11:30pm PST
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